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Josh Harrison--Uh, oh... GO NEAL? Rate Topic: -----

#21 User is offline   Thunder 

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Posted 02 May 2015 - 08:24 PM

View PostGideon Clarke, on 02 May 2015 - 07:39 PM, said:

Harrison's BABIP is .307 for his career. I doubt his 'natural' number would be significantly below 300. I mean, why would it? Those numbers are usually reserved for lumbering fly-ball hitters with 40 hit tools. Harrison is a balanced hitter with a hit tool somewhere between 45 and 55, and he's not slow. .300 seems like a really reasonable, middle-of-the-road estimate to me.

That said, I agree that he'll never duplicate his 2014. But if he comes back up to his reasonable, middle-of-the-road BABIP of .300, that will result in average to slightly above average overall numbers. That's obviously not what Neal was picturing when he offered Harrison one of the largest contracts in franchise history, but on the field it won't kill the Pirates.

The way Harrison has played the first month of the season, Andy LaRoche might be able to outplay him.
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Posted 04 May 2015 - 07:08 PM

View Postdefdog, on 02 May 2015 - 01:50 PM, said:

It's April. Pitching is ahead of the hitting.

Last year's FULL SEASON average OPS: .700

This year's average OPS (April + early May): .704



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Posted 04 May 2015 - 07:21 PM

View PostGideon Clarke, on 04 May 2015 - 07:08 PM, said:

Last year's average OPS: .700

This year's average OPS (April + early May): .704



Conventional wisdom: not always wise.

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Posted 04 May 2015 - 08:11 PM

View PostMartini, on 04 May 2015 - 07:21 PM, said:

Are you new here?

I just always wondered if that old commonplace that pitching is ahead of hitting early in the year is true. I suspected it wasn't. If a poster gives me an excuse to research something I was curious about to begin with, I take it.
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Posted 04 May 2015 - 08:27 PM

What are you trying to say? We had shitting hitting in April last year so pitching is never ahead of the hitting ?

Its not like this some made up line that only Pirates announcers use. It's said all around baseball leagues.
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Posted 04 May 2015 - 08:37 PM

View Postdefdog, on 04 May 2015 - 08:27 PM, said:

What are you trying to say? We had shitting hitting in April last year so pitching is never ahead of the hitting ?

Its not like this some made up line that only Pirates announcers use. It's said all around baseball leagues.

The number I gave for last season was all of last season. Hitting is slightly ahead of pitching now compared to all of last season.

And I know everyone says that. Unless a player they don't think much of is hitting well; then "the book isn't out on him yet." There are a bunch of silly sayings to explain why a player is performing differently than you expect. The real explanations are the same all the time: scouting is more art than science, and small samples of statistics aren't useful for evaluating a player.
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Posted 07 May 2015 - 09:48 AM

Quick JHay update:

100 ABs/6 2B/0 3B/2 HRs

.180 Avg/.212 OBP/.300 SLG/.512 OPS/40 OPS+
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Posted 07 May 2015 - 10:17 AM

View PostJeff King, on 07 May 2015 - 09:48 AM, said:

Quick JHay update:

100 ABs/6 2B/0 3B/2 HRs

.180 Avg/.212 OBP/.300 SLG/.512 OPS/40 OPS+

He'd still make for an excellent utility player in AAA.
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Posted 07 May 2015 - 10:23 AM

View PostJeff King, on 07 May 2015 - 09:48 AM, said:

Quick JHay update:

100 ABs/6 2B/0 3B/2 HRs

.180 Avg/.212 OBP/.300 SLG/.512 OPS/40 OPS+

so what you're saying is that defdog's retarded vindication campaign about Harrison last season was, in fact, completely fucking retarded? I'm shocked.
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Posted 07 May 2015 - 10:40 AM

Actually he's helping prove the 'Pitchers are ahead of the hitters' theory.

That vindication will be sweet.
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Posted 07 May 2015 - 10:46 AM

View Postdefdog, on 07 May 2015 - 10:40 AM, said:

Actually he's helping prove the 'Pitchers are ahead of the hitters' theory.

That vindication will be sweet.

the theory that has been disproven already since the current OPS is higher than last year's full season OPS?
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Posted 07 May 2015 - 10:55 AM

So we have a Playoff CALLIPER offense right now?
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Posted 07 May 2015 - 11:21 AM

View Postdefdog, on 07 May 2015 - 10:55 AM, said:

So we have a Playoff CALLIPER offense right now?

No, our offense is playing like shit right now. It's just not because of some baseball-wide phenomenon.
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Posted 13 May 2015 - 09:06 AM

JHay update:

113 ABs/6 2B/0 3B/3 HR

.177 Avg/.218 OBP/.310 SLG/.528 OPS/42 OPS+

JHay hit a HR, had a walk and stole a base last night. Hopefully this helps him start to get his confidence back.
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Posted 13 May 2015 - 09:15 AM

Someone brought this up on the radio yesterday, but why is Harrison getting so much shit (justifiably) for his slow start and Mercer is essentially getting a free pass?

Is it the contract Harrison signed? Is it because Mercer has already shown he can rebound from slow start? Is it because Mercer is playing a position where offense is at a premium?

Just curious, because Mercer is hitting .186/.245/.216 and is slugging nearly 100 points LOWER than Harrison.
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Posted 13 May 2015 - 09:21 AM

View PostTrey_Beamon, on 13 May 2015 - 09:15 AM, said:

Someone brought this up on the radio yesterday, but why is Harrison getting so much shit (justifiably) for his slow start and Mercer is essentially getting a free pass?

Is it the contract Harrison signed? Is it because Mercer has already shown he can rebound from slow start? Is it because Mercer is playing a position where offense is at a premium?


The answer to all three of those questions is, "yes."

I'd also say it's because if you look at Harrison's full body of work, his 2014 is the clear outlier.

But if Mercer doesn't wake the fuck up soon, people will be talking about him sucking balls, too.
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Posted 13 May 2015 - 09:31 AM

Because yinzers expect all or nothing.

If Harrison sucks, he is supposed to always suck.
If Harrison hits .350, he is always expected to hit .350.
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Posted 13 May 2015 - 09:39 AM

View PostTrey_Beamon, on 13 May 2015 - 09:15 AM, said:

Someone brought this up on the radio yesterday, but why is Harrison getting so much shit (justifiably) for his slow start and Mercer is essentially getting a free pass?

Is it the contract Harrison signed? Is it because Mercer has already shown he can rebound from slow start? Is it because Mercer is playing a position where offense is at a premium?

Just curious, because Mercer is hitting .186/.245/.216 and is slugging nearly 100 points LOWER than Harrison.

On top of all if those reasons, Harrison has also been a butcher in the field. He's been a drain on this team through a month and a half of baseball.
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Posted 13 May 2015 - 10:43 AM

I think there are a few reasons for the "pass" it seems Mercer is getting:

1. Harrison's season was truly a breakout season. He was basically our second best hitter. Mercer has put together a couple of decent little seasons but nothing like Harrison did. The point being, Harrison had a further fall from grace.

2. Harrison signed a big contract. Mercer would be under far more scrutiny if he was just signed before the season.

3. I think there is still a segment of people who believe SS's get a little more of a pass for not hitting. Outdated as that is I think the old archetype of a SS still lingers in the minds of people.
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Posted 13 May 2015 - 11:01 AM

View Postblurjose, on 13 May 2015 - 10:43 AM, said:

I think there are a few reasons for the "pass" it seems Mercer is getting:

1. Harrison's season was truly a breakout season. He was basically our second best hitter. Mercer has put together a couple of decent little seasons but nothing like Harrison did. The point being, Harrison had a further fall from grace.

2. Harrison signed a big contract. Mercer would be under far more scrutiny if he was just signed before the season.

3. I think there is still a segment of people who believe SS's get a little more of a pass for not hitting. Outdated as that is I think the old archetype of a SS still lingers in the minds of people.


4. Many fans remember his dreadful start last year that he eventually overcame. He's getting a little leeway from those thinking he's a notoriously slow starter in the Adam LaRoche mode.
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