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Posted Yesterday, 02:09 PM

Ex-Trump campaign chair had plan to benefit Putin government: AP

WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump’s former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, secretly worked for a Russian billionaire to advance the interests of Russian President Vladimir Putin a decade ago and proposed an ambitious political strategy to undermine anti-Russian opposition across former Soviet republics, The Associated Press has learned. The work appears to contradict assertions by the Trump administration and Manafort himself that he never worked for Russian interests.

Manafort proposed in a confidential strategy plan as early as June 2005 that he would influence politics, business dealings and news coverage inside the United States, Europe and the former Soviet republics to benefit the Putin government, even as U.S.-Russia relations under Republican President George W. Bush grew worse.

Manafort pitched the plans to Russian aluminum magnate Oleg Deripaska, a close Putin ally with whom Manafort eventually signed a $10 million annual contract beginning in 2006, according to interviews with several people familiar with payments to Manafort and business records obtained by the AP. Manafort and Deripaska maintained a business relationship until at least 2009, according to one person familiar with the work.

“We are now of the belief that this model can greatly benefit the Putin Government if employed at the correct levels with the appropriate commitment to success,” Manafort wrote in the 2005 memo to Deripaska. The effort, Manafort wrote, “will be offering a great service that can re-focus, both internally and externally, the policies of the Putin government.”

Manafort’s plans were laid out in documents obtained by the AP that included strategy memoranda and records showing international wire transfers for millions of dollars. How much work Manafort performed under the contract was unclear.
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Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., one of Trump’s critics in the Senate, called the disclosures about payments to Manafort from the Russian billionaire “very disturbing if true.”

“That’s basically taking money to stop the spread of democracy, and that would be very disturbing to me,” he said Wednesday on Capitol Hill.

Deripaska became one of Russia’s wealthiest men under Putin, buying assets abroad in ways widely perceived to benefit the Kremlin’s interests. U.S. diplomatic cables from 2006 described Deripaska as “among the 2-3 oligarchs Putin turns to on a regular basis” and “a more-or-less permanent fixture on Putin’s trips abroad.” In response to questions about Manafort’s consulting firm, a spokesman for Deripaska in 2008 — at least three years after they began working together — said Deripaska had never hired the firm. Another Deripaska spokesman in Moscow last week declined to answer AP’s questions.

When asked Wednesday about Manafort’s work for Deripaska, White House spokeswoman Sarah Huckabee Sanders said, “We do not feel it’s appropriate to comment on someone who is not an employee at the White House,” although Press Secretary Sean Spicer discussed Manafort earlier this week during a televised news briefing.



Manafort and his associates remain in Trump’s orbit. Manafort told a colleague this year that he continues to speak with Trump by telephone. Manafort’s former business partner in eastern Europe, Rick Gates, has been seen inside the White House on a number of occasions. Gates has since helped plan Trump’s inauguration and now runs a nonprofit organization, America First Policies, to back the White House agenda.



Manafort did not disclose details about the lobbying work to the Justice Department during the period the contract was in place.

Under the Foreign Agents Registration Act, people who lobby in the U.S. on behalf of foreign political leaders or political parties must provide detailed reports about their actions to the department. Willfully failing to register is a felony and can result in up to five years in prison and a fine of up to $250,000, though the government rarely files criminal charges.



Manafort’s work with Deripaska continued for years, though they had a falling out laid bare in 2014 in a Cayman Islands bankruptcy court. The billionaire gave Manafort nearly $19 million to invest in a Ukrainian TV company called Black Sea Cable, according to legal filings by Deripaska’s representatives. It said that after taking the money, Manafort and his associates stopped responding to Deripaska’s queries about how the funds had been used.

Early in the 2016 presidential campaign, Deripaska’s representatives openly accused Manafort of fraud and pledged to recover the money from him. After Trump earned the nomination, Deripaska’s representatives said they would no longer discuss the case.
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Posted Yesterday, 02:21 PM

View Postjcharding, on 20 March 2017 - 10:26 AM, said:

Obama had a drone strike once every 5.4 days. Trump is averaging one every 1.25 days.

Obama made it harder to use drones, changing policy to mandate that targets pose an imminent threat, and that there be a low likelihood that civilians won't be killed. Trump wants to abolish this, make it easier to use drones and doesn't particularly care about civilian casualties.

Obama changed strike authority from CIA to DOD because DOD is more likely to follow the rules of law and supposedly operates with greater transparency. Trump wants to change this as well.

No word yet on using drones against US "citizens", but I'm sure Winter and others will claim that it's all perfectly fine now that Trunp is doing it.


Is that over Obama's 8 years? Might be more meaningful to see his last few years or a year by year comp. Same reason Obama used drones more than Bush, Trump will use them more than Obama.
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Posted Yesterday, 02:41 PM

View PostNCBuccofan, on 22 March 2017 - 02:21 PM, said:

Is that over Obama's 8 years? Might be more meaningful to see his last few years or a year by year comp. Same reason Obama used drones more than Bush, Trump will use them more than Obama.

He had more access to drones than Bush. Obama was risk avoidance in the loss of American lives in military action. Bush not so much. Cheney didn't care who died. There isn't enough information on how Trump will be. McMaster is not a believer in technology as an in lieu of for military forces on the ground. Trump has most certainly created an environment that will promote greater use of drones.
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Posted Yesterday, 03:13 PM

View Postjcharding, on 22 March 2017 - 02:09 PM, said:


Ex-Trump campaign chair had plan to benefit Putin government: AP

WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump's former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, secretly worked for a Russian billionaire to advance the interests of Russian President Vladimir Putin a decade ago and proposed an ambitious political strategy to undermine anti-Russian opposition across former Soviet republics, The Associated Press has learned. The work appears to contradict assertions by the Trump administration and Manafort himself that he never worked for Russian interests.

Manafort proposed in a confidential strategy plan as early as June 2005 that he would influence politics, business dealings and news coverage inside the United States, Europe and the former Soviet republics to benefit the Putin government, even as U.S.-Russia relations under Republican President George W. Bush grew worse.

Manafort pitched the plans to Russian aluminum magnate Oleg Deripaska, a close Putin ally with whom Manafort eventually signed a $10 million annual contract beginning in 2006, according to interviews with several people familiar with payments to Manafort and business records obtained by the AP. Manafort and Deripaska maintained a business relationship until at least 2009, according to one person familiar with the work.

"We are now of the belief that this model can greatly benefit the Putin Government if employed at the correct levels with the appropriate commitment to success," Manafort wrote in the 2005 memo to Deripaska. The effort, Manafort wrote, "will be offering a great service that can re-focus, both internally and externally, the policies of the Putin government."

Manafort's plans were laid out in documents obtained by the AP that included strategy memoranda and records showing international wire transfers for millions of dollars. How much work Manafort performed under the contract was unclear.
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Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., one of Trump's critics in the Senate, called the disclosures about payments to Manafort from the Russian billionaire "very disturbing if true."

"That's basically taking money to stop the spread of democracy, and that would be very disturbing to me," he said Wednesday on Capitol Hill.

Deripaska became one of Russia's wealthiest men under Putin, buying assets abroad in ways widely perceived to benefit the Kremlin's interests. U.S. diplomatic cables from 2006 described Deripaska as "among the 2-3 oligarchs Putin turns to on a regular basis" and "a more-or-less permanent fixture on Putin's trips abroad." In response to questions about Manafort's consulting firm, a spokesman for Deripaska in 2008 — at least three years after they began working together — said Deripaska had never hired the firm. Another Deripaska spokesman in Moscow last week declined to answer AP's questions.

When asked Wednesday about Manafort's work for Deripaska, White House spokeswoman Sarah Huckabee Sanders said, "We do not feel it's appropriate to comment on someone who is not an employee at the White House," although Press Secretary Sean Spicer discussed Manafort earlier this week during a televised news briefing.



Manafort and his associates remain in Trump's orbit. Manafort told a colleague this year that he continues to speak with Trump by telephone. Manafort's former business partner in eastern Europe, Rick Gates, has been seen inside the White House on a number of occasions. Gates has since helped plan Trump's inauguration and now runs a nonprofit organization, America First Policies, to back the White House agenda.



Manafort did not disclose details about the lobbying work to the Justice Department during the period the contract was in place.

Under the Foreign Agents Registration Act, people who lobby in the U.S. on behalf of foreign political leaders or political parties must provide detailed reports about their actions to the department. Willfully failing to register is a felony and can result in up to five years in prison and a fine of up to $250,000, though the government rarely files criminal charges.



Manafort's work with Deripaska continued for years, though they had a falling out laid bare in 2014 in a Cayman Islands bankruptcy court. The billionaire gave Manafort nearly $19 million to invest in a Ukrainian TV company called Black Sea Cable, according to legal filings by Deripaska's representatives. It said that after taking the money, Manafort and his associates stopped responding to Deripaska's queries about how the funds had been used.

Early in the 2016 presidential campaign, Deripaska's representatives openly accused Manafort of fraud and pledged to recover the money from him. After Trump earned the nomination, Deripaska's representatives said they would no longer discuss the case.




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Posted Yesterday, 03:34 PM

So the Freedom Caucus seems to have enough House votes to kill the AHCA, and that's before we even count any moderates who might also oppose the bill.

Part of me can't stop laughing, for a variety of reasons (although I don't want to count any chickens yet either)

This also makes me wonder that the gerrymandered republican districts may, in this cycle, prove to be counterproductive. Just as a republican consensus replacement can't be found, with internal politcs dooming it, I'm wondering if seemingly safe gerrymandered districts are going to be so divisive that it will produce more flawed candidates than normal, or produce candidates who go through so much political battle in the primaries that they are spent out financially or too exposed politically to survive a general election.

Edit. Troubling, however, is the idea of Speaker Pelosi. Which is about as desirable as a continued McConnel leadership. I'd prefer they both disappeared.
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Posted Yesterday, 05:11 PM

View PostGoBucs21, on 22 March 2017 - 10:47 AM, said:

Yawn. You are so predictable. Hillary/Obama nearly every post for you now. Distraction/deflection is all you can do. Your defense of your boy is a bitchfest about someone who is no longer President and someone who will never be President.

I don't need to insinuate, imply, or write in a way for anyone infer that your motives are sinister. Your posts take care of that on their own merits.

I don't pretend I'm not partisan. I've made no secret of my political ideas. You however, pretend that you are something you aren't.

Feel free to post some image that you recently googled or some reference to a porn star that only the oldest among remember. I'm sure you have some Harry Reems references handy.


If this post were a Spanish folk hero allured by windmills, it would be Yawn Quixote.
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Posted Yesterday, 05:13 PM

View PostGoBucs21, on 22 March 2017 - 02:41 PM, said:

He had more access to drones than Bush. Obama was risk avoidance in the loss of American lives in military action. Bush not so much. Cheney didn't care who died. There isn't enough information on how Trump will be.


Okay GoBucs, so are you admitting that the past 100 pages of people flipping out over Trump invading other countries, causing nuclear war, and overspending on the military are a tad premature?
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Posted Yesterday, 06:16 PM

Winter I think you've crossed the point where your trolling could be plausibly construed as a genuine opinion.
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Posted Yesterday, 06:46 PM

View Postgahran, on 22 March 2017 - 06:16 PM, said:

Winter I think you've crossed the point where your trolling could be plausibly construed as a genuine opinion.


I don't know if this is a post supporting me or making fun of me. If there was a "+0" button here on CIA, I would use it for this post.
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Posted Yesterday, 07:15 PM

View PostWinterset Resurrection, on 22 March 2017 - 05:13 PM, said:

Okay GoBucs, so are you admitting that the past 100 pages of people flipping out over Trump invading other countries, causing nuclear war, and overspending on the military are a tad premature?

This. Is what you do. You parse things to such a degree because you are so desperate to not be wrong. It's lying in it's loosest form.

No, I'm speaking specifically to drone usage. But you read that in your special way, hoping to make a point that can't be made.

Keep trying to defend your boy.
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View PostWinterset Resurrection, on 22 March 2017 - 05:11 PM, said:

If this post were a Spanish folk hero allured by windmills, it would be Yawn Quixote.

I can remember when your obscure but deflecting come backs were funny. I'm guessing you couldn't find any good Ron Jeremy quotes on wikiquotes.
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Posted Yesterday, 07:46 PM

My Ron Jeremy jab was outstanding. You even liked it.
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Posted Yesterday, 07:50 PM

View PostWinterset Resurrection, on 22 March 2017 - 07:46 PM, said:

My Ron Jeremy jab was outstanding. You even liked it.

No, like Ron Jeremy, it was dated, tired, and probably needs a shot to pick it up. Ron Jeremy is so played out that even Ron Jeremy won't suck his own dick.
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Posted Yesterday, 07:53 PM

View PostGoBucs21, on 22 March 2017 - 07:50 PM, said:

No, like Ron Jeremy, it was dated, tired, and probably needs a shot to pick it up. Ron Jeremy is so played out that even Ron Jeremy won't suck his own dick.


Yes, considering I was jabbing one of your countless repetitive posts, that was the point. "Yawn Jeremy."

Classic. #multiplelevelburn
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View PostGoBucs21, on 20 March 2017 - 03:45 PM, said:

Exactly. Federal programs are a result of failures in the market or lower levels of government. Take it back to the Civil War. That war was the result of the several states failing to address basic human rights.


And several allowing them to.

There is massive waste at all levels of the government, I am not sure doing the same thing and raising taxes to add more federal programs is the solution. At some point you have to do something different.
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View PostNCBuccofan, on 23 March 2017 - 07:32 AM, said:

And several allowing them to.

There is massive waste at all levels of the government, I am not sure doing the same thing and raising taxes to add more federal programs is the solution. At some point you have to do something different.

Look, I believe in a flat tax that is well thought out and executed properly. I'm not for or against higher taxes, just do what is right.

Yes, there is waste in the government. Based on what I've seen in 8 years in the private sector, there is equal waste there. Back on topic, no we should not raise taxes until we make government processes more efficient. That is exactly why I don't think we should be putting more money into defense. The Pentagon did a self analysis a couple of years ago and found $125B in fraud, waste, and abuse. Without fixing that, Trump added $54B.
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View PostPSU4Lyfe, on 21 March 2017 - 04:05 PM, said:

I find it odd that everyone who lost their minds every time Obama went golfing aren't upset that Trump has golfed nearly twice a week since his inauguration.

Odd indeed.


About as odd as the people mad about Trump golfing that had no problem with Obama golfing.
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View PostNCBuccofan, on 23 March 2017 - 09:00 AM, said:

About as odd as the people mad about Trump golfing that had no problem with Obama golfing.

I don't care if either do. It is fair to cite the hypocrisy of both sides though. It's fair to criticize Trump because throughout the campaign, he criticized Obama for golfing and going on vacation. He cited the monetary costs related to Obama's recreational activities but now doesn't seem to care.

I do have problems with the first couple's personal choice to maintain two (or three households) given that the cost is an additional $300K/day to do so. That's about $110M/year. If he wants to golf once or twice a week, more power to him. FLOTUS needs to get her ass in the White House however.
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