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#241 User is offline   Sloshy 

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Posted Today, 07:31 AM

 Martini, on 27 March 2017 - 06:15 PM, said:

Felipe Rivero has looked pretty damn good and his stuff is unquestionable. I'm just wondering though if that big tuft of blonde hair sticking out the back of his hat will be a distraction.

I mean, that can't be natural, right?

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 GoBucs21, on 28 March 2017 - 07:30 AM, said:

Another reason that I can't stand interleague play. With 15 teams in each league, at least two teams have to play interleague games for their season opener.

They need to do away with interleague games. With MLB.TV and multiple national media deals, there is no need to send AL teams to NL parks and vice versa for fans to see teams from the other league.


It's not nearly as dumb as still having pitchers hit in half the league. Talk about something nobody wants to see. Some guy bunting or striking out every time.
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 PSU4Lyfe, on 28 March 2017 - 08:44 AM, said:

It's not nearly as dumb as still having pitchers hit in half the league. Talk about something nobody wants to see. Some guy bunting or striking out every time.


I do prefer to have the pitcher hit though, and I'd ban the DH in a heartbeat.

It's a pathetic job to have. There shouldn't be baseball players that don't have to play the field. It's a sad, sad joke.
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View PostPSU4Lyfe, on 28 March 2017 - 08:44 AM, said:

It's not nearly as dumb as still having pitchers hit in half the league. Talk about something nobody wants to see. Some guy bunting or striking out every time.

Agreed. I'm way beyond the "strategy" (if we were accurate, those are tactics) of having pitchers hit. The managers use pitchers at the plate isn't strategy as much as it is routine. If a runner is on base, they bunt. If no one is one, they swing away. Over 80% of the time the result is the same, an out. Just put the DH in both leagues and be done with it.
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Posted Today, 09:19 AM

 GoBucs21, on 28 March 2017 - 09:15 AM, said:

Agreed. I'm way beyond the "strategy" (if we were accurate, those are tactics) of having pitchers hit. The managers use pitchers at the plate isn't strategy as much as it is routine. If a runner is on base, they bunt. If no one is one, they swing away. Over 80% of the time the result is the same, an out. Just put the DH in both leagues and be done with it.


Yeah what is the additional enjoyment of watching an untrained player flail at professional pitching? I wouldn't want to watch them pull guys or of the stands to bat. What exactly is entertaining about it is what I wonder.
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View Postgahran, on 28 March 2017 - 09:05 AM, said:

I do prefer to have the pitcher hit though, and I'd ban the DH in a heartbeat.

It's a pathetic job to have. There shouldn't be baseball players that don't have to play the field. It's a sad, sad joke.

How is it any different than other specialists? Relievers who almost never hit anymore. Relievers who almost exclusively pitch to hitters on their side of the plate. Relievers who never pitch more than one inning (not counting the post season). Relievers who only pitch the next to last inning. Relievers who pitch only the last inning. The DH is only different because it's codified in the rule book. Specialized relievers are no different than the DH.
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Posted Today, 09:21 AM

View PostPSU4Lyfe, on 28 March 2017 - 09:19 AM, said:

Yeah what is the additional enjoyment of watching an untrained player flail at professional pitching? I wouldn't want to watch them pull guys or of the stands to bat. What exactly is entertaining about it is what I wonder.

Yep. Plus, it's a rally killer. Hitters 7 and 8 get on base, the pitcher bunts giving up an out and making it infinitely easier to score no runs. Seventh hitter hits a double with two outs in an inning, they walk the 8th hitter to get to the pitcher. That's a shit ton of fun.
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Posted Today, 09:24 AM

 GoBucs21, on 28 March 2017 - 09:19 AM, said:

How is it any different than other specialists? Relievers who almost never hit anymore. Relievers who almost exclusively pitch to hitters on their side of the plate. Relievers who never pitch more than one inning (not counting the post season). Relievers who only pitch the next to last inning. Relievers who pitch only the last inning. The DH is only different because it's codified in the rule book. Specialized relievers are no different than the DH.


Yeah I could see the argument of "I don't want a guy that only hits" if you balanced it with not wanting to see guys that only pitch. If you have that opinion, you would have to balance it with forcing every reliever that comes in a game to take at least 1 AB.
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Posted Today, 09:39 AM

Viva la DH!!!!!
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Posted Today, 10:10 AM

 GoBucs21, on 28 March 2017 - 09:19 AM, said:

How is it any different than other specialists? Relievers who almost never hit anymore. Relievers who almost exclusively pitch to hitters on their side of the plate. Relievers who never pitch more than one inning (not counting the post season). Relievers who only pitch the next to last inning. Relievers who pitch only the last inning. The DH is only different because it's codified in the rule book. Specialized relievers are no different than the DH.


I think relievers are kinda stupid too - but they've been present for so long that I doubt I could begin to argue my case without sounding crazy.

Let me just say it like this: I bet most people would agree that the most interesting inning of a pitcher's complete game is the last one. I think that it's interesting because of the narrative that lead to it. "The pitcher performed well enough to win the game, but did he save enough stamina to complete the job?" "Can he get through the heart of the order one more time?"

The decades-long trend toward more bullpen usage has given rise to fragmented and uninteresting storylines like "will this LOOGY win his one single e-z mode match-up?" - and not only that but it takes all the drama out of the start. Like - who really gives a shit about Quality Starts?


My opposition to the DH comes from a similar place. If I were asked to name the best hitters from the last 20 years you can probably guess which name I'd forget. I don't even think about guys like that. They feel more like punters to me. They're really good at doing that one particular thing 4-6 times a game. That's great but I don't think it's interesting at all.
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Posted Today, 10:25 AM

View Postgahran, on 28 March 2017 - 10:10 AM, said:

I think relievers are kinda stupid too - but they've been present for so long that I doubt I could begin to argue my case without sounding crazy.

Let me just say it like this: I bet most people would agree that the most interesting inning of a pitcher's complete game is the last one. I think that it's interesting because of the narrative that lead to it. "The pitcher performed well enough to win the game, but did he save enough stamina to complete the job?" "Can he get through the heart of the order one more time?"

The decades-long trend toward more bullpen usage has given rise to fragmented and uninteresting storylines like "will this LOOGY win his one single e-z mode match-up?" - and not only that but it takes all the drama out of the start. Like - who really gives a shit about Quality Starts?


My opposition to the DH comes from a similar place. If I were asked to name the best hitters from the last 20 years you can probably guess which name I'd forget. I don't even think about guys like that. They feel more like punters to me. They're really good at doing that one particular thing 4-6 times a game. That's great but I don't think it's interesting at all.

Actually, the DH has been around longer than the specialized relievers. The modern closer is product of the mid to late 1980s. Set up guys and match up guys came after that. While there have always been relievers, the modern reliever happened much later than the DH.

I think the DH makes any inning in which he hits much more interesting than any inning in which the pitcher hits. I find nothing interesting about the three default modes for pitchers hitting, swing, bunt, pinch hit. Again, 80% of the time the first two result in an out. The last one is exciting exactly because he isn't the pitcher. The DH gives the lineup much more robustness and adds, not subtracts strategy from the game.
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Posted Today, 12:05 PM

View PostMartini, on 27 March 2017 - 06:15 PM, said:

Felipe Rivero has looked pretty damn good and his stuff is unquestionable. I'm just wondering though if that big tuft of blonde hair sticking out the back of his hat will be a distraction.

I mean, that can't be natural, right?

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Damn, I think it may be, as something distracted me from a main point of my post. Basically what I'm saying is that I predict Rivero will be the closer by mid-May if not sooner. Tony Watson didn't man up to the role last year and his Spring hasn't inspired a lot of confidence either.

Still, if I was Starling Marte in particular, I don't know if I could even concentrate on my job with that big yellow thing sticking out the back of the pitcher's hat.

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