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#1 User is offline   Winterset Resurrection 

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Posted 15 February 2017 - 04:08 AM

http://www.minorleag...spects-for-2017

I think John Sickels always does a thorough job with his rankings, and I look forward to them every year. Some quick thoughts, with Sickels' rankings in bold.

1) SP Tyler Glasnow A/A- http://www.baseball-...id=glasno000tyl
I like keeping Glasnow at #1 overall, despite all the Mitch Keller love of late. I get that the BB/9 are a concern, but the dude still posted a 9.3 K/9 and 100 ERA+ in his MLB debut, and an absurd 1.93 ERA and 11.1 K/9 across 2 levels of minor league ball.

2) OF Austin Meadows B+/A- http://www.baseball-...id=meadow000aus
Since minor league hitters are a far safer bet than SP, Meadows might be the most likely of the "big 3" to be a successful MLB regular. But there's just something about his career that keeps me from being as bullish on him as other elite minor league hitting prospects. Meadows is still incredibly young- succeeding at AAA at 21 last year- but I'm hoping we see more HR power, so he can become the first legitimate middle of the order bat this team has internally developed in years, rather than just a very solid #2/#6 hitter.

3) SP Mitch Keller B+/A- http://www.baseball-...id=keller000mit
Love that this guy basically came out of nowhere, but still comfortable keeping him ranked below Glasnow for now. For perspective, in Glasnow's age 21 season, he cruised from low-A to AAA with a cumulative 2.39 ERA. I feel like there's a Cole:Taillon to Glasnow:Keller dynamic, in that Keller and Taillon don't have the pure stuff of Cole and Glasnow, but some people project them better long-term due to their improved control.

4) 1B/OF Josh Bell B+ http://www.baseball-.../belljo02.shtml
I'm in the same boat with Bell that I am with Meadows; definitely has the potential to be an All Star, but the overall weak minor league HR totals make me question where in the lineup he ends up. Still, I think concerns of his defense- at least at 1B- are overblown, as I've seen him play there multiple times, and don't see any glaring weaknesses. Also, love LOVE the 21:19 BB:K ratio he put up in his MLB debut. That's unreal, and arguably his strongest peripheral.

5) SS Kevin Newman B http://www.baseball-...id=newman000kev
Wasn't a huge fan of the pick at the time, but that may have been more due to the Pirates' history of spending early round picks on scrappy, white, fairly defensively limited SS (hello Jordy). I know that the days of having SS hit 25+ HR in the 90's are past, so the total package is encouraging. Love the 62:66 BB:K ratio so far. I don't think the Pirates ever have to worry about Newman making a huge payday, so if he begins the year hot at AA-AAA and Mercer struggles, I think this guy could surprise and be up quicker than most people think, as Pittsburgh probably won't dick with his service time to save money.

6) 3B Ke'Bryan Hayes B/B- http://www.baseball-...id=hayes-000keb
Makes me feel old as hell, because I still remember when the Pirates picked up dad Charlie Hayes to try to make a "run" back in 1996. One of those guys still far enough away that his rankings are based more on potential than actual statistical production. Still, it seems like the game is shifting far more towards above-average defenders over pure power, so Hayes should be a safe bet to be around this spot for the next year or two.

7) SP Taylor Hearn B- http://www.baseball-...id=hearn-000tay
Hated the Melancon trade, both due to the philosophy behind it, and the low return in a seller's market. But this guy could certainly rocket up some prospect charts rapidly. Lefty SP that flash 98mph HEAT don't grow on trees, and the dude did nothing but post a 1.99 ERA, 14.3 K/9 debut in the Sally after coming over from the Nationals. With some potential graduations, wouldn't be surprised to see Hearn in the Pirates' Top 4 come 2018.

8) SP Nick Kingham B-/C+ http://www.baseball-...id=kingha001nic
Fuck Nick Kingham. I've always found him overrated and only there due to an overall lack of SP prospects in the Pirates' system. He may be a nice guy, but if the Pirates remotely gave a shit about contending, he would've been packaged long ago for a legit veteran upgrade at the Trade Deadline.

9) SP Steven Brault B-/C+ http://www.baseball-...id=brault000ste
When you have guys like Kingham and Brault making your top 10, I think it shows that your minor league system isn't as deep as advertised. Still, it's probably better to have a handful of elite A-B+ prospects than tons of B-/C+ guys, and the Pirates certainly have that. Brault is a pure grinder. He's never going to wow anyone, but when you look at the cumulative career 2.74 ERA, 2.5 BB/9, 8.0 K/9 minor league career, you can't fault him for getting a shot. Held his own at the back of the rotation for 7 starts last year. Again, would be good trade bait as part of a package deal, if the Pirates gave a damn.

10) SS Cole Tucker B-/C+ http://www.baseball-...id=tucker000col
Definitely not as hot of a prospect in 2017 after posting a .242/.311/.327 statline across 2 levels last year. Like Hayes, still so young that it's tough to look at cumulative stats too critically, but also doesn't surprise me that Newman has definitely lapped him prospect-wise. Not a big fan overall.

11) 3B Will Craig B-/C+ http://www.baseball-...id=craig-003wil
I fucking liked this pick a LOT, because I'm tired of the Pirates drafting no-power bitches. Sickels sees Craig moving to the OF or DH, but I think 1B is a much more likely destination for him. Wish he was a lefty, but still a long term power bat that I would easily rank ahead of Kingham, Brault, and Tucker prospect-wise.

12) SP Yeudy Garcia C+/B- http://www.baseball-...id=garcia000yeu
Didn't know much about him, but think the ranking is definitely justified. Given his advanced age (24, and not to AA yet), wouldn't entirely mind if the Pirates converted him to a legit closer candidate early. Think about it: when was the last time that the Pirates actually had an elite RP prospect? I feel like the Cardinals turn at least one out every year. Closers still have value, and he might be the perfect guy to do it with.

13) SP Travis Macgregor C+/B- http://www.baseball-...id=macgre000tra
Don't know much about him, but will give the Pirates the benefit of the doubt, as their recent success rate at drafting projectable HS arms has been very good.

14) 2B Alen Hanson C+ http://www.baseball-...id=hanson001ale
I was in Hanson's corner for a lot of years- and he's still only going to be 24- but it looks like he's missed his chance to be a legit MLB starter. With speed and switch-hitting ability, could be a versatile bench player if he could hit enough. Again, would look great in a trade package elsewhere, if Bob Nutting spent money, and Neal Huntington had balls.

15) INF Max Moroff C+ http://www.baseball-...id=moroff000max
Have watched Moroff play a number of times, and always came away very impressed. Deceptively solid at any infield position. Could easily see him being like the INF version of OF Adam Frazier.

16) C Elias Diaz C+ http://www.baseball-...id=diaz--004eli
Age 26, but developing an MLB catcher anymore is similar to developing an NHL defenseman, so he still makes prospect lists. You'd also be surprised how many Top 10 minor league catcher lists this guy still makes at the tail end. Diaz is purely ranked here for his defense, as his career .685 minor league OPS inspires nobody. But given that I hate Chris Stewart, I wouldn't mind seeing him take his place sooner rather than later. The Pirates seriously need to address catcher with a top pick in the very near future, as Diaz is the only backstop that even registers a blip on the Pirates' prospect radar right now.

17) SP Luis Escobar C+ http://www.baseball-...id=escoba002lui
Don't know much. Young Colombian arm. We'll have a better sense after 2017. Usually by this point on the lists, even Sickels admits these guys are pretty interchangeable with the 20 or so guys below them.

18) SP Trevor Williams C+ http://www.baseball-...id=willia002tre
Pretty sure this is the choad we received when the Marlins plucked Jim Benedict from us; I'd rather have Benedict back. Williams's only hope is coming out of the pen. And again, I'd LOVE to see the Pirates have at least 2-3 legit elite bullpen prospects, rather than just converting over failed starters who are unlikely to be more than long relievers.

19) SP Frank Duncan C+ http://www.baseball-...id=duncan005fra
Unheralded 13th round pick that worked his way onto the tail end of prospect lists with a surprising 2.34 ERA campaign across AA-AAA last season. Like Brault, one of those guys you're going to see getting garbage starts in early July when the Pirates' rotation is decimated, and Neal Huntington refuses to trade for anybody.

20) OF Barrett Barnes C+ http://www.baseball-...id=barnes000bar
Probably surprises a lot of people to see the Pirates' 1st round comp pick from 2012 fall this fall on prospect lists, but dude just couldn't stay healthy. Playing a full 124-game season at AA Altoona last year, Barnes did post a very solid .306/.377/.477 statline, but missing time after already being drafted out of college, age is his biggest adversary now, as he'll be 25 this year, so you somewhat have to take his AA production with a grain of salt. Still, the Pirates' system from about #8 on is soff enough that Barnes could easily get himself back into the Top 10 as a 25-year old, if he has a great 2017 campaign at AAA, with maybe a late season callup.
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Posted 15 February 2017 - 10:34 AM

Hey Winter,

Good list overall, but the Pirates traded Duncan to Arizona last week. Just sayin'. :)
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Posted 15 February 2017 - 10:51 AM

Thanks Trey. ACKNOWLEDGED.
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Posted 15 February 2017 - 11:28 AM

The quality on the list drops precipitously after...well...really the top 4. Newman, Hayes, Kingham, Tucker etc...possibly all somewhat interesting but limited ceilings. A couple guys like Hearn, Craig with high ceilings and greater bust potential.

It's not a bad top 20 for sure. I'm not going to complain about it. It's not great either but it's not bad.

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Posted 15 February 2017 - 12:10 PM

19) SP Frank Duncan C+ http://www.baseball-...id=duncan005fra
Unheralded 13th round pick that worked his way onto the tail end of prospect lists with a surprising 2.34 ERA campaign across AA-AAA last season. Like Brault, one of those guys you're going to see getting garbage starts in early July when the Pirates' rotation is decimated, and Neal Huntington refuses to trade for anybody.

He was traded to Arizona for this Phil Gosselin guy.

Edit: Fucking Molina!
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Posted 15 February 2017 - 02:05 PM

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