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#601 User is offline   oblongatta 

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Posted Yesterday, 10:58 AM

View PostWinterset Resurrection, on 24 March 2017 - 10:43 AM, said:

Yes, I'm sure now that he's taken a great deal of media heat, he's donating a ton of money to repair his image. I would be more interested in how much he gave prior to all of the nonsense he started this year.


google has this neat thing where you can do a search and set a date range to say something like before 2015. Try it sometime. You may not have to ask if Kaepernick did charitable things before he had to repair his image. Seriously, there's literally thousands of hits on his charitable work. I even remember the stores. He created a charity for kids with heart disease. But I'm sure that was all in preparation to repair his image.
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Posted Yesterday, 11:00 AM

All right guys, I have a plan.

1. Someone photoshop a pic to make it look like Landry Jones took a dump on the Constitution.
2. Sign Kaep.
3. Kaep holds a press conference denouncing the Constitution Shitter.
R. Cut Jones.
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Posted Yesterday, 11:05 AM

View PostWinterset Resurrection, on 24 March 2017 - 10:26 AM, said:

Again, as an employee of the NFL, Kaepernick does not have the same free speech rights during an NFL event. People don't realize this, but it's an important distinction to make.

He absolutely does. What the NFL does as a private entity has nothing to do with inhibiting his right to express his opinion. I don't defend the NFL but they've done nothing to limit his right to speak out.
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Posted Yesterday, 11:07 AM

View PostPSU4Lyfe, on 24 March 2017 - 10:46 AM, said:

But that is how he gained popularity and notoriety and built a base. Sure he picked other shock theories after(Mexicans are ruining America, "lock her up", etc).

He also repudiated that theory during the campaign.
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Posted Yesterday, 11:52 AM

View PostWinterset Resurrection, on 24 March 2017 - 10:26 AM, said:

Again, as an employee of the NFL, Kaepernick does not have the same free speech rights during an NFL event. People don't realize this, but it's an important distinction to make.

No, he does. But his employer has the ability to react. I have the right to say "I hate spics and Jews!!!! Kill them all!!!" but I'd have to face the consequences if my employer wants to can me for exhibiting poor judgment and racist/anti-Semitic beliefs. I could call someone a wop on the street all I want, but he could punch me in the face.

And probably would, those violent grease balls.

He has the right to do or say what he wants on political issues, but his speech is not protected from retaliation. Unless that's what you mean.

As long as he can't be locked up by the government for saying it, he has the freedom to express himself. What's scary is, they're starting to fine stand ups in Canada for offensive speech. That is ten ways fucked up.
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Posted Yesterday, 12:00 PM

View Postoblongatta, on 23 March 2017 - 12:10 PM, said:

eh, just playing devil's advocate.


Hopefully while wearing lifts and a bad wig.

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Posted Yesterday, 02:12 PM

View PostMa13tt0, on 24 March 2017 - 08:48 AM, said:

Right I agree. Although I did think of one example where his talent was outweighed by his off the field issues. Greg Hardy. Dude was pretty decent but his issues were too much. Now kneeling for the anthem is not even close to beating the fuck out of your girlfriend.


Hardy was signed by the Cowboys after beating the shit out of the girl.
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Posted Yesterday, 02:15 PM

View PostWinterset Resurrection, on 24 March 2017 - 10:24 AM, said:

Bill Belichick would. That nonsense would not be tolerated in New England.

I hate to say it, but it's true.


The distraction with Kaepernick is that he knelled last year. How would Belichick prevent that from being a distraction? He cannot time travel. He already said he would stand this year.

I do think part of the reason he is not signed is because he wants starter level money. He did not opt out for a $3 mil deal.

Belichick coaches Gronk, the walking distraction.

There were also rumors that the Steelers forbid anyone from protesting.
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Posted Yesterday, 02:27 PM

View PostNCBuccofan, on 24 March 2017 - 02:12 PM, said:

Hardy was signed by the Cowboys after beating the shit out of the girl.


They decided not to re-sign him when they were pretty hard up for pass rushing help. His comments on twitter and his locker room presence didn't help. Nor did his arrest for cocaine possession.
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Posted Yesterday, 02:30 PM

 Ma13tt0, on 24 March 2017 - 02:27 PM, said:

They decided not to re-sign him when they were pretty hard up for pass rushing help. His comments on twitter and his locker room presence didn't help. Nor did his arrest for cocaine possession.


He also only had 6 sacks instead of 15, so his production to distraction ratio didn't balance out. Plus he continued to say and do stupid things(like you mentioned), instead of just laying low and trying to act like he was sorry for nearly killing that poor girl.
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Posted Yesterday, 02:34 PM

 oblongatta, on 24 March 2017 - 10:58 AM, said:

google has this neat thing where you can do a search and set a date range to say something like before 2015. Try it sometime. You may not have to ask if Kaepernick did charitable things before he had to repair his image. Seriously, there's literally thousands of hits on his charitable work. I even remember the stores. He created a charity for kids with heart disease. But I'm sure that was all in preparation to repair his image.


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Posted Yesterday, 02:37 PM

View PostPSU4Lyfe, on 24 March 2017 - 02:30 PM, said:

He also only had 6 sacks instead of 15, so his production to distraction ratio didn't balance out. Plus he continued to say and do stupid things(like you mentioned), instead of just laying low and trying to act like he was sorry for nearly killing that poor girl.


Hell, he was proud of what he did to her, and did not hide that he paid her to be quiet. His production went down. Exactly right. If he was a 10-15 sack guy still, he would be on a team.
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Posted Yesterday, 02:39 PM

Along with Rob Gronkowski being one of the NFL's biggest off field distractions, Bill Belichick also drafted a guy that turned out to be a serial killer, signed a guy after he killed another in a DUI, then picked up another guy off of waivers days after he was released following a DUI.

That Belichick. He puts up up with no trouble makers or distractions.
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Posted Yesterday, 02:45 PM

View PostPSU4Lyfe, on 24 March 2017 - 02:30 PM, said:

He also only had 6 sacks instead of 15, so his production to distraction ratio didn't balance out. Plus he continued to say and do stupid things(like you mentioned), instead of just laying low and trying to act like he was sorry for nearly killing that poor girl.


True but wasn't he suspended for the beginning of the year?
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Posted Yesterday, 05:18 PM

View PostGoBucs21, on 24 March 2017 - 09:47 AM, said:

I would also hope the military officer would understand that he served to protect the speech rights of an American like Kaepernick.

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Posted Today, 07:26 AM

View PostPSU4Lyfe, on 24 March 2017 - 10:46 AM, said:

But that is how he gained popularity and notoriety and built a base. Sure he picked other shock theories after(Mexicans are ruining America, "lock her up", etc).


Actually, he was already a name businessman years before Obama ever came onto the scene. If you really wanted to pick some social colloquialism contributing to his political success, I'd say Trump's The Apprentice was far more significant at re-branding him and bringing him back into the mainstream.
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Posted Today, 07:29 AM

View PostGoBucs21, on 24 March 2017 - 11:05 AM, said:

He absolutely does. What the NFL does as a private entity has nothing to do with inhibiting his right to express his opinion. I don't defend the NFL but they've done nothing to limit his right to speak out.


You're wrong here. As an employee of my organization, I have to uphold the principles of what my organization stands for, even if they do not agree with my own personal beliefs.

For example, someone from the public could write a letter to the editor bashing my organization, or taking a controversial stance on how they think America should be. If I did the same thing, I could be fired for it if my views are not in line with my organization, or would bring undue criticism to it.

Despite how much people cite "FREE SPEECH! FREE SPEECH!", very few truly understand how it works, or when it is applicable.
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Posted Today, 07:31 AM

View Postsilverspring, on 24 March 2017 - 11:52 AM, said:

No, he does. But his employer has the ability to react. I have the right to say "I hate spics and Jews!!!! Kill them all!!!" but I'd have to face the consequences if my employer wants to can me for exhibiting poor judgment and racist/anti-Semitic beliefs. I could call someone a wop on the street all I want, but he could punch me in the face.

And probably would, those violent grease balls.

He has the right to do or say what he wants on political issues, but his speech is not protected from retaliation. Unless that's what you mean.

As long as he can't be locked up by the government for saying it, he has the freedom to express himself. What's scary is, they're starting to fine stand ups in Canada for offensive speech. That is ten ways fucked up.


There you go. That's another way of looking at it, although I think you may be confusing "free will" with "free speech."

If you are subject to retaliation for what you say, then that is truly not free speech. We still have free will, at least until the year 2037, when the majority of our population is subtlely replaced with shape-shifters and automatons.
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