Pittsburgh Pirates: Defending Tony Sanchez - Pittsburgh Pirates

Jump to content

  • 11 Pages +
  • « First
  • 8
  • 9
  • 10
  • 11

Defending Tony Sanchez

#181 User is offline   GoBucs21 

  • Veteran Manager
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 34,394
  • Joined: 10-December 08
  • Gender:Male

Posted 26 June 2009 - 02:29 PM

QUOTE (The Lumber Company @ Jun 26 2009, 03:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Why would I do that, when (a) I don't believe that they actually exist and (b) I'm not the one making contentions that just aren't in touch with what I deem to be reality.

Monarch argument:
Make an indefensible comment or argument.

Make up information without providing links or noting the source.

Speak in broad generalizations that allow plausible deniablity later.

When proven wrong...remain obstinate.
Name calling.

When proven wrong...remain obstinate.
Name calling

When proven wrong...remain obstinate.
Name calling

When proven wrong...make an irrational claim or go off on a tangent.
Name calling and take on the role of the victim and claim words are being taken out of context.

When the time comes to admit being wrong, deny initial claim.

"It's probably true. Trump probably did it, because people in power tend to think they can do whatever they want, whenever they want, and usually get away with it."
17 April 2017
Winter's response to my post that Trump may have raped a teenage girl.

Moral courage is a more rare commodity than bravery in battle or great intelligence.
Robert F. Kennedy

Day of commemoration to honor the Victims of Bowling Green, April 1, 2017.
0

#182 User is offline   mvk112 

  • Manager
  • PipPipPipPip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 14,305
  • Joined: 17-November 08
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Pittsburgh, PA

Posted 26 June 2009 - 02:30 PM

QUOTE (The Lumber Company @ Jun 26 2009, 03:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So you go directly to the "I don't care what you think" defense now? Seriously, is this monarch? Is someone playing a trick on the board here?


No, because even if I do search and find the mock drafts, you will dissmiss them anyway. I know how things work around here when someone doesn't agree with the other side of an argument.
0

#183 User is offline   jeffr92 

  • Manager
  • PipPipPipPip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 10,189
  • Joined: 16-November 08
  • Gender:Male

Posted 26 June 2009 - 02:30 PM

QUOTE (The Lumber Company @ Jun 26 2009, 03:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Monarch, is that you?

Google. Have at it!

Here's a couple:
http://www.pgcrosschecker.com/articles/Dis...px?article=1503 (Sanchez 23)
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/draft...009/268312.html (Sanchez 27)
http://mlbbonusbaby.com/2009/06/09/final-m...aft-rounds-1-3/ (Sanchez 29)
0

#184 User is offline   Penguin 

  • Collective Wisdom
  • PipPipPipPip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 17,075
  • Joined: 16-November 08
  • Gender:Male

Posted 26 June 2009 - 02:31 PM

QUOTE (mvk112 @ Jun 26 2009, 12:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Probably because I don't really care enough if you don't believe I saw them or not.

Your 47 posts in this thread disagree.
"The business of baseball is to make money, not break even. I don't understand why you think the Pirates should run their team like a charity." - Willlton 6/18/2009

"The Bay trade doesn't look like it (a slam dunk winner), but if you take into account the fact that all they lost was eight months of Jason Bay's services, as well as the fact that even the Red Sox look like they won't be able to re-sign him, it's not nearly the loser many people seem to think." - tWTM 11/26/2009

"Morton is finding himself, now while this may sound weird and out there, but the fact he put on a solo concert at Piratefest shows he finally has the confidence that he lacked within himself that he didn't have in the lower minors." - aso513 2/8/2010

"Dave Littlefield vindicated." - Xiga 4/30/2011 after one scoreless inning of relief by Daniel Moskos.

"Hanrahan and Cedeno would be a gross overpayment for Belt. Sorry, but I'll stick with my realistic analysis of the market and the teams involved." - Steve Zielinski 5/25/2011

"He (Barmes) could have a .000 Batting Average and still be an asset." - bradlej31 5/28/2012

"The last time the Pirates won an extra-inning game in St. Louis that lasted at least 16 frames was April 20, 1986 at Chicago." - Kristy Robinson 8/19/2012

"I want to tweet something clever and interesting to you that will earn your respect and make you smile, since you do that to me all the time." - jpbucco to Colin Dunlap 4/12/2016

"If the Pirates had acquired Giancarlo Stanton from the Marlins, Im not sure they would have won the Benedict trade." - David Todd 11/11/2015
0

#185 User is offline   mvk112 

  • Manager
  • PipPipPipPip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 14,305
  • Joined: 17-November 08
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Pittsburgh, PA

Posted 26 June 2009 - 02:32 PM

QUOTE (jeffr92 @ Jun 26 2009, 03:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>


Do you still have the article that says San Diego is considering him at #3?
0

#186 User is offline   jeffr92 

  • Manager
  • PipPipPipPip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 10,189
  • Joined: 16-November 08
  • Gender:Male

Posted 26 June 2009 - 02:33 PM

QUOTE (mvk112 @ Jun 26 2009, 03:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Probably because I don't really care enough if you don't believe I saw them or not. There was even talk, and I'm sure Jeffr remembers it, because I believe he posted it here, that the Padres were considering drafting Tony Sanchez at #3.

The Padres were most closely linked to Mike Minor, if they decided to go with an easily signable guy.
0

#187 User is offline   jeffr92 

  • Manager
  • PipPipPipPip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 10,189
  • Joined: 16-November 08
  • Gender:Male

Posted 26 June 2009 - 02:34 PM

QUOTE (mvk112 @ Jun 26 2009, 03:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Do you still have the article that says San Diego is considering him at #3?

I honestly don't remember it, but if they were it was only a passing reference. Minor was their top budget pick.
0

#188 User is offline   mvk112 

  • Manager
  • PipPipPipPip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 14,305
  • Joined: 17-November 08
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Pittsburgh, PA

Posted 26 June 2009 - 02:35 PM

Hope this makes everyone happy.

http://www.mymlbdraft.com/MLB-Mock-Draft-2009

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20...rtnerId=rss_mlb

0

#189 User is offline   jeffr92 

  • Manager
  • PipPipPipPip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 10,189
  • Joined: 16-November 08
  • Gender:Male

Posted 26 June 2009 - 02:37 PM

QUOTE (mvk112 @ Jun 26 2009, 03:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Why are those 2 more valid than the three that I posted?
0

#190 User is offline   mzimmerman81 

  • Veteran Manager
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 32,561
  • Joined: 16-November 08
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:State College, PA

Posted 26 June 2009 - 02:38 PM

What is this fuckers name?

Jorge or Tony, make up your fucking mind
5 GP

10-16, 4-2B, 2-3B, 9 RBI, 6 R
0

#191 User is offline   mvk112 

  • Manager
  • PipPipPipPip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 14,305
  • Joined: 17-November 08
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Pittsburgh, PA

Posted 26 June 2009 - 02:40 PM

QUOTE (jeffr92 @ Jun 26 2009, 03:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Why are those 2 more valid than the three that I posted?


I didn't say they were, I said he was projected to go AS HIGH AS #12 to the Royals.

And exactly as I called it above.

QUOTE
No, because even if I do search and find the mock drafts, you will dissmiss them anyway. I know how things work around here when someone doesn't agree with the other side of an argument.

0

#192 User is offline   mzimmerman81 

  • Veteran Manager
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 32,561
  • Joined: 16-November 08
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:State College, PA

Posted 26 June 2009 - 02:42 PM

So at 12 he would still be getting roughly 1 million less that what he did get
5 GP

10-16, 4-2B, 2-3B, 9 RBI, 6 R
0

#193 User is offline   Penguin 

  • Collective Wisdom
  • PipPipPipPip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 17,075
  • Joined: 16-November 08
  • Gender:Male

Posted 26 June 2009 - 02:43 PM

For the record, I never doubted there were rumors of Fatchez (again, just to piss off Pjoma) going 12. But that doesn't change the fact the Pirates still paid him almost a million over the 12th slot money.

And mvk, do you honestly believe had Fatchez not signed, he would have gone higher than 12 next year? And I don't mean like how you honestly believed Tyler Yates would be able to maintain his 2008 first half. I mean realistically.
"The business of baseball is to make money, not break even. I don't understand why you think the Pirates should run their team like a charity." - Willlton 6/18/2009

"The Bay trade doesn't look like it (a slam dunk winner), but if you take into account the fact that all they lost was eight months of Jason Bay's services, as well as the fact that even the Red Sox look like they won't be able to re-sign him, it's not nearly the loser many people seem to think." - tWTM 11/26/2009

"Morton is finding himself, now while this may sound weird and out there, but the fact he put on a solo concert at Piratefest shows he finally has the confidence that he lacked within himself that he didn't have in the lower minors." - aso513 2/8/2010

"Dave Littlefield vindicated." - Xiga 4/30/2011 after one scoreless inning of relief by Daniel Moskos.

"Hanrahan and Cedeno would be a gross overpayment for Belt. Sorry, but I'll stick with my realistic analysis of the market and the teams involved." - Steve Zielinski 5/25/2011

"He (Barmes) could have a .000 Batting Average and still be an asset." - bradlej31 5/28/2012

"The last time the Pirates won an extra-inning game in St. Louis that lasted at least 16 frames was April 20, 1986 at Chicago." - Kristy Robinson 8/19/2012

"I want to tweet something clever and interesting to you that will earn your respect and make you smile, since you do that to me all the time." - jpbucco to Colin Dunlap 4/12/2016

"If the Pirates had acquired Giancarlo Stanton from the Marlins, Im not sure they would have won the Benedict trade." - David Todd 11/11/2015
0

#194 User is offline   mvk112 

  • Manager
  • PipPipPipPip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 14,305
  • Joined: 17-November 08
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Pittsburgh, PA

Posted 26 June 2009 - 02:43 PM

QUOTE (mzimmerman81 @ Jun 26 2009, 03:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So at 12 he would still be getting roughly 1 million less that what he did get


No shit, you must be very smart or something.
0

#195 User is offline   jeffr92 

  • Manager
  • PipPipPipPip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 10,189
  • Joined: 16-November 08
  • Gender:Male

Posted 26 June 2009 - 02:44 PM

QUOTE (mvk112 @ Jun 26 2009, 03:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I didn't say they were, I said he was projected to go AS HIGH AS #12 to the Royals.

And exactly as I called it above.

A mock draft is a guess as to what that particular team will do, it is not a ranking of the draftees. Just because Jorge may have been taken at #12 doesn't mean he'd be getting the same amount of money that Aaron Crow will.

EDIT: I didn't address the second part. It's questioned because it doesn't make your opinion that he was "very likely" to be taken by the Royals any more valid.
0

#196 User is offline   mvk112 

  • Manager
  • PipPipPipPip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 14,305
  • Joined: 17-November 08
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Pittsburgh, PA

Posted 26 June 2009 - 02:48 PM

QUOTE (Penguin @ Jun 26 2009, 03:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
For the record, I never doubted there were rumors of Fatchez (again, just to piss off Pjoma) going 12. But that doesn't change the fact the Pirates still paid him almost a million over the 12th slot money.

And mvk, do you honestly believe had Fatchez not signed, he would have gone higher than 12 next year? And I don't mean like how you honestly believed Tyler Yates would be able to maintain his 2008 first half. I mean realistically.


All it takes is for one team that wants to make a quick signing at slot. Which is what he would have been at #12 this year. I never denied that.
0

#197 Guest_sloshyj_*

  • Group: Guests

Posted 26 June 2009 - 03:10 PM

QUOTE (Penguin @ Jun 26 2009, 03:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
3. 12th slot money is still almost 1 million less than what the Pirates offered.

This is too rich. First it was that Sanchez was signed for $1 million more than he was worth... now it's almost $1 million.

Next week it will be something else.

It calls into question your integrity, Penguin.
0

#198 User is offline   mzimmerman81 

  • Veteran Manager
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 32,561
  • Joined: 16-November 08
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:State College, PA

Posted 26 June 2009 - 03:13 PM

You read through this thread and question Penguins integrity?

Really?
5 GP

10-16, 4-2B, 2-3B, 9 RBI, 6 R
0

#199 Guest_sloshyj_*

  • Group: Guests

Posted 26 June 2009 - 03:17 PM

So, I guess everyone here is smarter than the Pirates Sports Weekly? I think not...


0

#200 Guest_sloshyj_*

  • Group: Guests

Posted 26 June 2009 - 03:18 PM

QUOTE (mzimmerman81 @ Jun 26 2009, 04:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You read through this thread and question Penguins integrity?

Really?

No, not really.
0

Share this topic:


  • 11 Pages +
  • « First
  • 8
  • 9
  • 10
  • 11


Fast Reply