Apollo 20- Scary as Shit Winter's New Alien Fascination
Posted 01 November 2012 - 08:13 PM
-Coach Marty Daniels
Posted 01 November 2012 - 09:21 PM
Shame on me for taking the bait. But why the hell is that "clearly an enormous elliptical object lodged in a crater"? Isn't that just a typical crater?
Posted 01 November 2012 - 09:36 PM
I just don't quite rule this stuff out, not sure what I'd say if somebody held a gun to my head and told me to tell them what I believe or else...but I'm always at least interested if for no other reason than it's great story. I may attempt to watch some more of this shit on YouTube
Posted 01 November 2012 - 09:55 PM
So while I agree that the image looks interesting, it's also really hard to tell that it isn't a rock formation or something natural. It's not like it looks metallic or anything.
Posted 01 November 2012 - 10:23 PM
What about doctors who make house calls? Repairmen who know how to fix things? And ballplayers who hustle? And boxers who get carried out of the ring, instead of quitting because of stomach cramps? And what about the death penalty for scum who take a human life and snuff it out like it's so much garbage? I've seen the past, gentlemen, and it works. - William Shatner as T.J. Hooker in episode 1.1 'The Protectors'
It seems likely that removing the sense of closure from book writing will, in time, alter writer's attitudes toward their work. The pressure to achieve perfection will diminish, along with the artistic rigor that the pressure imposed. - Nicholas Carr from The Shallows
Posted 02 November 2012 - 10:43 AM
I can't tell if this is a stupid question -- so stupid it doesn't merit a response. Or if it's just such an obvious problem with the video that no defender of the alien potential can even answer it.
Posted 02 November 2012 - 02:31 PM
Also the Wikipedia entry for Rutledge claims this is a hoax and was easy for even amateurs to debunk - ---------------
But - it did not offer any reasons to show it is a hoax.
So I would not be surprised if CIA and NASA have a base on dark side of the moon trying to get information that will stop global warming, end world hunger and produce an unlimited supply of clean energy. We need to get the answers before the Chinese.
Posted 02 November 2012 - 07:37 PM
Posted 02 November 2012 - 07:57 PM
Posted 02 November 2012 - 10:34 PM
The frustrating thing to me is that we can now look back through history to CLEARLY see other examples of this exact type of thinking setting back the human race centuries, if not milennia. I liken this debate to the historical battle over whether the Earth or Sun was at the center of our solar system.
Nicholas Coernicus gets the credit for proving our solar system was sun-centered, but a Greek named Aristarchus actually came up with the idea 1800 years earlier. Yet any talk of a Sun-centered solar system was gauged taboo. People were killed, imprisoned, and intimidated; all evidence supporting a Sun-centered universe was ignored by the "scientists" of the day. In the end, humans finally figured it out when society was willing to accept it...but we could've gotten there almost 2,000 years earlier.
I see the same thing happening now.
These days, the popularity or unpopularity of an idea within the scientific community tends to be based on evidence. At one time it was chic to believe that alien civilizations would be found on other planets; now it's not. There are a lot of reasons for this.
1. A huge piece of evidence for life on Mars was a mere mistranslation. Italian astronomer Giovanni Schiaparelli wrote that there were "channels" on the moon. It was translated as "canals" in English. Eventually, someone brought this error to light.
2. Science gathered more data on the bodies in the solar system. At one time, it was thought that there was life on the moon. Then we learned that the moon lacks liquid water and an atmosphere. The same beliefs were held regarding mars, until the same facts were revealed there. Venus, once believed to be the most earthlike of the planets, turned out to be an abominable hellscape that would leave Dante Alighieri sobbing incoherently for his mother. It turns out there's only one decent property in our neighborhood, and we already built a McMansion on it.
3. Science believed for decades that it was a few years away from knowing definitively how life on this planet began. If the event could be reproduced by humans in a lab, it meant that maybe it was easy enough that it could have happened in a less-than-ideal environment. Turns out science still can't create life from scratch, and it has come to terms with that fact.
4. So life being less likely to arise than we had once assumed, and the rest of the solar system being less livable than we had originally believed, the idea of life native to the nearest neighboring planets is essentially ruled out. Of course, any race sufficiently advanced to engage in interstellar travel would likely be capable of establishing a colony on a barren rock like Mars if they had a good reason...that is, if such a thing exists. Hell, humanity has the technology now to live on Mars indefinitely. The problem is that they'd also have one hell of a time getting there. Space travel speeds have basically plateaued. If there are indeed alien civilizations elsewhere in the universe (and I do still consider that reasonably likely), it's likely that many of them hit the same plateau. So now the "sufficiently advanced race" you're looking for has to be advanced enough to disprove or trick relativity. It adds another barrier and reduces the number of potential colonizers.
5. Humanity is like your least favorite uncle. It's been mooching off your grandmother its entire life, it married for six months and then got divorced, so it hates women, it's vaguely racist because it got kicked out of college for having terrible grades and one of the professors there was an ambiguous shade of brown, it'll partake far too heavily of any open bar in sight, and once it drinks, it's far too willing to spout its infuriating and embarrassing views far, far too loudly for anybody's comfort. You'd have to be really damn lonely and really damn desperate to sit down at its table. In fact, you might just skip the wedding altogether unless you had a particularly compelling reason to be there. Any race that is sufficiently advanced to achieve interstellar travel is sufficiently advanced to determine how dysfunctional humanity is, and either beat us up to take our lunch money, make itself unnoticed, or just keep walking.
-Coach Marty Daniels
Posted 02 November 2012 - 11:26 PM
Thanks! I'm thinking it's a couple more formulaic jokes and a few google image searches away from being a cracked.com article.
-Coach Marty Daniels