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#7641 User is offline   Gideon Clarke 

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Posted 02 August 2017 - 09:11 AM

View Postdonwengert4life, on 01 August 2017 - 07:07 PM, said:

To reach the designation of marksman, Oswald hit 48 of 50 shots at a man-sized target at 200 yards.

It isn't that hard to imagine, even with the passage of several years, that he could hit 2 out 3 shots at 85-100 yards.

You keep bringing up his record 4-7 years before the assassination, but not his lousy shooting a few months before it. Trying to shoot a man through his home office window from less than 100 feet and he didn't even hit glass!

You also neglect to mention that Oswald got worse while he was in the Marines and required to train. But I'm sure that stopped when he got out and could do whatever the fuck he wanted.
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Posted 02 August 2017 - 09:55 AM

View Postdonwengert4life, on 01 August 2017 - 07:07 PM, said:

To reach the designation of marksman, Oswald hit 48 of 50 shots at a man-sized target at 200 yards.

It isn't that hard to imagine, even with the passage of several years, that he could hit 2 out 3 shots at 85-100 yards.

It isn't like Jamison Taillon trying to throw a strike from 60 feet 6 inches.


Exactly. Quality of the gun is irrelevant when it was his gun that he had used many times. People of the similar skill level, that never used the gun before hit 2 out of 3.

Of course, Winter could not even get the brand of gun right. If he wanted to show of his superior knowledge, he would have used the real name instead of the often used, but incorrect name.
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Posted 02 August 2017 - 09:58 AM

View PostWinterset Resurrection, on 01 August 2017 - 09:40 PM, said:

1. Multiple shooters, and a large amount of evidence supports that.

2. Some shots DID miss, as some bystanders were hit with shrapnel from the concrete sidewalk with errant shots.

3. The model is considered a cheap and inconsistent rifle.

4. Oswald's model in particular was even more faulty, as the scope had multiple shims below it.

Could you still hit someone with this rifle? Sure, you could get lucky. But could you hit a person moving away from you multiple times in a very small window, AND somehow cause the victim's head to recoil backwards, even though you are shooting from behind him?

Impossible.


#4 is not correct, there were shims, but it made the gun more reliable.

People actually did hit multiple targets multiple times in less time than Oswald. It is very likely he got off 3 shots and hit twice.

That does not mean there were not other shooters. But it does mean he was not in the lobby eating a sandwich.
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Posted 02 August 2017 - 11:08 AM

View PostNCBuccofan, on 02 August 2017 - 09:58 AM, said:


That does not mean there were not other shooters. But it does mean he was not in the lobby eating a sandwich.


That's pretty much where I am. I don't think Oswald acted alone. But I don't thin there's much question that he did, indeed, act. Too many people saw him leaning out the 6th floor window, weapon raised, for it not to be the truth.

We'll probably never know the full and complete story. The identity and position of the 2nd shooter, who was involved (if anyone), etc. But the overwhelming evidence points to Oswald being involved. He was no patsy.
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Posted 02 August 2017 - 12:35 PM

View PostMidnight Moose, on 02 August 2017 - 11:08 AM, said:

That's pretty much where I am. I don't think Oswald acted alone. But I don't thin there's much question that he did, indeed, act. Too many people saw him leaning out the 6th floor window, weapon raised, for it not to be the truth.

We'll probably never know the full and complete story. The identity and position of the 2nd shooter, who was involved (if anyone), etc. But the overwhelming evidence points to Oswald being involved. He was no patsy.


I agree, and the evidence points to him being involved. We can speculate the rest, but there is no way he was just the fall guy.
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Posted 02 August 2017 - 12:38 PM

View PostNCBuccofan, on 02 August 2017 - 12:35 PM, said:

I agree, and the evidence points to him being involved. We can speculate the rest, but there is no way he was just the fall guy.

Yep. He was in on it but probably not alone. If he wasn't alone, it's likely he believed he was.
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Posted 02 August 2017 - 01:22 PM

Have you guys ever read much into the "2 Oswald's" theory?

Everyone thinks a "double agent" is just a spy that works for one side secretly, but in reality, the practice dates to US intelligence using TWO nearly identical-looking agents, which they could then interchange and identity swap through locations around the world.

And actually, none other than Oswald's own wife thought he had swapped!!! I believe she said, "Lee left [for Russia], and Harvey returned." Meaning, there was Lee Oswald, and Lee Harvey Oswald, and they were 2 different men.

Side by side comparisons throughout "his" life show some significant facial changes.

https://goo.gl/images/VXvUXm



https://goo.gl/images/CFNLsS
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Posted 02 August 2017 - 01:44 PM

View PostWinterset Resurrection, on 02 August 2017 - 01:22 PM, said:

Have you guys ever read much into the "2 Oswald's" theory?

Everyone thinks a "double agent" is just a spy that works for one side secretly, but in reality, the practice dates to US intelligence using TWO nearly identical-looking agents, which they could then interchange and identity swap through locations around the world.

And actually, none other than Oswald's own wife thought he had swapped!!! I believe she said, "Lee left [for Russia], and Harvey returned." Meaning, there was Lee Oswald, and Lee Harvey Oswald, and they were 2 different men.

Side by side comparisons throughout "his" life show some significant facial changes.

https://goo.gl/images/VXvUXm



https://goo.gl/images/CFNLsS


Maybe Oswald was abducted by the Lizard People, and "Lizardized".
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Posted 02 August 2017 - 03:00 PM

View PostWinterset Resurrection, on 02 August 2017 - 01:22 PM, said:

Have you guys ever read much into the "2 Oswald's" theory?

Everyone thinks a "double agent" is just a spy that works for one side secretly, but in reality, the practice dates to US intelligence using TWO nearly identical-looking agents, which they could then interchange and identity swap through locations around the world.

And actually, none other than Oswald's own wife thought he had swapped!!! I believe she said, "Lee left [for Russia], and Harvey returned." Meaning, there was Lee Oswald, and Lee Harvey Oswald, and they were 2 different men.

Side by side comparisons throughout "his" life show some significant facial changes.

https://goo.gl/images/VXvUXm



https://goo.gl/images/CFNLsS


Didn't he meet his wife in Russia?
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Posted 02 August 2017 - 09:02 PM

View PostNCBuccofan, on 02 August 2017 - 03:00 PM, said:

Didn't he meet his wife in Russia?


I think so. But I'm pretty sure they were both living over here eventually, while he was taking trips back to Russia as member of US intelligence.
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Posted 03 August 2017 - 07:26 PM

Some conspiracy porn for y'all from a reputable source

http://www.politico....ew-files-215449
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Posted 03 August 2017 - 09:37 PM

View Postjcharding, on 03 August 2017 - 07:26 PM, said:

Some conspiracy porn for y'all from a reputable source

http://www.politico....ew-files-215449


I read it, and was disappointed.

It feels to me like a cover piece masquerading under the guise of objectivity. They state in the opener that the CIA was never entirely convinced about Oswald as the lone gunman, but then the article goes on to repeat again and again that Oswald was the lone shooter, and shifts its focus to some pittance of who he talked to in what country before acting alone.

Nothing against you, harding. I'm glad you posted it. But I personally found that article very deceiving.
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