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As an outfielder (excluding all pinch hitting appearances), he has the following line:
.280/.365/.400/.765 7 Doubles 1 Triple (8 of his 21 hits in 75 ABs are extra base hits)
Basically,
as far as I'm concerned, he should be the starting centerfielder for
the rest of the season, even when Duffy returns. Compared to Duffy, he
has shown actual plate discipline, and power. And he's not afraid to
steal a base. And he rarely gets caught. He is 18-19 in his career.
Duffy
being hurt has coincided with one of our hottest times of the season.
Anyone think that's a coincidence? I don't. Now if we could just get
Paulino out of the lineup consistently and we'd only have one shitty
hitter (Jack), our offense wouldn't be so bad.
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QUOTE (herrmorpheus @ Jul 9 2007, 02:41 PM) | QUOTE (Winters in Holland @ Jul 9 2007, 02:52 PM) | good numbers-crunching, monarch- i had no idea mclouth was that productive as a starter.
which
reminds me about one time that we had a player named resto-something,
who hit over .300 as a starter, and he ended up getting waived for some
reason...
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And where is Mr. Restovich now?
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http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/restomi01.shtmlMichael Restovich sucks, and he keeps getting worse (see above for career stats)...
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He got a very limited # of ABs to start the season (28), and didn't do
a lot with them, so he's back raking at AAA again as usual. http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/st..._pbp&pid=282879I'm
not going to call this guy "Jack Cust II", but if any team out there
ever takes the time to give him an extended look, they won't be
disappointed. .WiH.
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QUOTE (jeffr92 @ Jul 9 2007, 03:31 PM) | QUOTE (Gahran @ Jul 9 2007, 03:36 PM) |
if i thought duffy was the answer, you can be certain i would've
mentioned him myself. Duffy sucking doesn't make Mclouth a better
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maybe
not, but McLouth is clearly a better player than Duffy, and leaving him
on the bench in favor of the annointed centerfielder is ridiculous. No
one is saying McLouth is the ideal answer, but he is the best we've got
until McCuth comes up.
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Jeff, you need to fall in line. Jack Cust should be our everyday CF.
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QUOTE (uberbiermensch @ Jul 9 2007, 01:43 PM) | QUOTE (jeffr92 @ Jul 9 2007, 01:28 PM) |
I've been saying he should get a chance to take the starting center job
since he and Duffy were called up. I don't understand how an
organization can pre-determine the roles players will have before they
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Look at their track record on that
1) Duffy - is fast & plays a great CF, he's a leadoff hitter & starter 2) Sanchez - has a club foot... utility infielder 3) Paulino - calls a great game... Starter. 4) Nady - is a great hitter even though his stats (before this year) show he's a platoon player.... Starter 5) McClouth - is fast but doesn't play a great CF, pinch hitter #4 Outfielder. 6) Doumit - gets injured a lot, and dropped a ball once while catching... backup catcher.
Any
others? Looks like Nady is about the only one they are correct on, at
least for this year. It's actually funny how often their players have
to prove them wrong.
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You guys just dont understand how brillant Dilly and Dick are. If you
were smart enought to see their magnificence on all things baseball,
you would never question their decisions.
Paulino is an all star, even Animal knows that.
Boy,
and I thought jeff had real promise as a poster. And uber, every one of
those 6 things are absolutely true, so whats your point? Havent you
ever noticed, for example, that when Freddy runs he goes around the
bases in a giant, somewhat squared off circle. He cant run a straight
line with that foot. How do you expect him to be anything but a utility
guy with that kind of shortcoming?
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QUOTE (Winters in Holland @ Jul 10 2007, 06:04 AM) | mvk is a fucking numbnuts.
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yes, because we should all be so impressed by a 28 year old guy who is
posting a .828 OPS in AAA, his fourth season at that level.
now that is why the Pirates are losing, they should have Restovich in RF everyday.
if
there is a guy who everyone's panties should be in a bunch about, it is
Carlos Pena, who was available to anyone who wanted him for a year and
a half, and had actually produced at the major league level before. he
is a lefty 1B who fields very well. this guy should have been brought
in last year.
yea, but Michael Fucking Restovich is the best, and we should evaluate every player we see on a half of a season, right?
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QUOTE (PSU4Lyfe @ Jul 9 2007, 02:59 PM) | QUOTE (Gahran @ Jul 9 2007, 06:56 PM) | same old BS. We've had quite a few players who were more productive over longer periods of time than this.
The second Mclouth has a week or two where he didn't suck his groupies come out in force. |
When Duffy puts together back to back games of not sucking then he might actually obtain some groupies.
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He batted over .300 when he started for the Pirates.
During
his last game starting, he went 2-3 with a HR against Randy Johnson, on
a day when he was otherwise unstoppable. I think the rest of the team
had only 1 or 2 hits combined.
Then, inexplicably, he was benched for two weeks, and never saw significant action again before being released.
Since
it's looking more and more like I was spot on about Cust, it would be
nice to have some people give me the benefit of the doubt here...
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QUOTE (Winters in Holland @ Jul 10 2007, 08:36 AM) | He batted over .300 when he started for the Pirates.
During
his last game starting, he went 2-3 with a HR against Randy Johnson, on
a day when he was otherwise unstoppable. I think the rest of the team
had only 1 or 2 hits combined.
Then, inexplicably, he was benched for two weeks, and never saw significant action again before being released.
Since
it's looking more and more like I was spot on about Cust, it would be
nice to have some people give me the benefit of the doubt here...
.WiH. |
he started 9 games for the Pirates. big f'n deal, he was 12-40 in those games, or whatever. from
the time he joined the Pirates until that game he hit the homer off of
Johnson, he was batting .243 and had an OPS of .759. certainly the
stuff of legends. http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/gl.cg...1&t=b&year=2005and
where were they going to play him? certainly not in LF, and at the
time, Matt Lawton had an OPS of over .800. and once Lawton was traded,
Mackowiak was outperforming Restovich anyway. ooooh...
you were so right about Jack Cust... because, as Dave Littlefield
certainly knows, you should evaluate players on what they do in a half
of a season, right?
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QUOTE (mvk112 @ Jul 10 2007, 08:54 AM) | he started 9 games for the Pirates. big f'n deal, he was 12-40 in those games, or whatever.
from
the time he joined the Pirates until that game he hit the homer off of
Johnson, he was batting .243 and had an OPS of .759. certainly
the stuff of legends.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/gl.cg...1&t=b&year=2005
and
where were they going to play him? certainly not in LF, and at
the time, Matt Lawton had an OPS of over .800. and once Lawton
was traded, Mackowiak was outperforming Restovich anyway.
ooooh...
you were so right about Jack Cust... because, as Dave Littlefield
certainly knows, you should evaluate players on what they do in a half
of a season, right? |
12/40 = .300
The
majority of Restovich's at-bats came in pinch hitting roles, in which
batters perform statistically lower than when they start (see Nunez,
Abraham).
How about playing him in RF then? Did we have some
impact RF during that season that I've somehow expunged from my memory?
Saying that there was nowhere in the Pirates' OF to play him is
ridiculous. Only this season, with Bay and Nady manning the corners, is
the first time since the days of Giles/Vander Wal that we've been truly
solid in both LF and RF.
And Calig is exactly right. Are you
going to claim that Chris Young sucks because the Pirates traded him,
even though he's a potential Cy Young candidate for the Padres right
now?
Teams like the Pirates and Nationals are bad because they consistently mis-evaluate players.
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no, but chris young never was given even a token chance here. restovich
has failed everywhere he has been in the majors, including Colorado,
where everyone can hit.
just because you love aaaa players
because their numbers look good on a computer doesn't mean you are
correct about restovich. he couldnt catch on in minnesota, colorado,
pittsburgh, and now washington. but all he needs is a chance, huh?
just
like nobody here crowned jack wilson's ass after OPS'ing .885 the first
two months of 2004, we should probably wait on a whole season from
everybody, even the guy who could walk on water if he wanted to,
because he can walk anywhere anyplace anytime.
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QUOTE (mvk112 @ Jul 10 2007, 09:32 AM) | he couldnt catch on in minnesota, colorado, pittsburgh, and now washington.
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Minnesota = 66 AB over 2 seasons
Colorado = 31 AB, .353OBP, .805OPS
Pittsburgh = 84 AB
Washington = 28 AB
no, but chris young never was given even a token chance here.
Riiiiiiight. And clearly these monstrous AB numbers show that Restovich.....was?
Oh,
and how about that Ramirez guy we traded a couple years ago? You know,
the one who routinely hits over .300 with 30-some HR and 100-some RBI?
He got a chance here, didn't he?
You really just don't have much
of an argument. And again, aside from Minnesota, who boasted a loaded
farm system where there were few opportunities, all of the teams you
listed are perennial losers.
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QUOTE (Winters in Holland @ Jul 10 2007, 09:53 AM) | QUOTE (mvk112 @ Jul 10 2007, 09:32 AM) | he couldnt catch on in minnesota, colorado, pittsburgh, and now washington.
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Minnesota = 66 AB over 2 seasons
Colorado = 31 AB, .353OBP, .805OPS
Pittsburgh = 84 AB
Washington = 28 AB
no, but chris young never was given even a token chance here.
Riiiiiiight. And clearly these monstrous AB numbers show that Restovich.....was?
You
really just don't have much of an argument. And again, aside from
Minnesota, who boasted a loaded farm system where there were few
opportunities, all of the teams you listed are perennial losers.
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if you are going to OPS .690 in over 300 plate appearances when you do
get opportunities, you are not going to stick long, especially when you
defense is below average and you have no other tangible qualities like
speed.
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QUOTE (mvk112 @ Jul 10 2007, 03:08 PM) | QUOTE (Winters in Holland @ Jul 10 2007, 09:53 AM) | QUOTE (mvk112 @ Jul 10 2007, 09:32 AM) | he couldnt catch on in minnesota, colorado, pittsburgh, and now washington.
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Minnesota = 66 AB over 2 seasons
Colorado = 31 AB, .353OBP, .805OPS
Pittsburgh = 84 AB
Washington = 28 AB
no, but chris young never was given even a token chance here.
Riiiiiiight. And clearly these monstrous AB numbers show that Restovich.....was?
You
really just don't have much of an argument. And again, aside from
Minnesota, who boasted a loaded farm system where there were few
opportunities, all of the teams you listed are perennial losers.
.WiH.
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if
you are going to OPS .690 in over 300 plate appearances when you do get
opportunities, you are not going to stick long, especially when you
defense is below average and you have no other tangible qualities like
speed.
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Again,
I don't even like Michael Restovich. I think he would be a nice
platooner at the MLB level, but there are people roaming around the
minors I'm far more interested in (Jason Botts) that Restovich.
With that being said, what the hell can you digest by 300 MLB ABs spread out over four or five sporatic 60 AB increments?
With all due respect, that's a very dumb thing to say.
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Jwill, I say today, let's play along with the stereotype. Check out this link. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=4609When you're done toweling off, come back and let's talk about it. .WiH.
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One of the things I enjoy more than anything about true three outcome
players is the amount of pitches they see per plate appearance.
Even
more so than the fact that the difference between strikeouts and most
other outs aren't all that unique, a guy like Cust (or Dunn, or Botts)
is going to continue to walk and strikeout so often that his P/PA is
going to outrageous.
For Cust, to along with getting on base 40%
of the time, hitting the 11th most HRs in the American League despite
playing in 55 games, is seeing 4.38 pitches per PA (!).
That's a lot of fucking pitches. If he qualified, that would put him 2nd in the AL, and 3rd in MLB.
Now
I'm not condoning strikeouts or anything ridiculus like that, but if
you have a guy seeing 20 pitches a game on his own, he's helping
himself out, he's helping his team out, and he's taking SPs out of
games early.
How anyone can unbiasedly look at his stats and not
concede defeat to this point is pure unintentional humor, as far as I'm
concerned.
And, oh yeah:
vs. LHP: .953 OPS vs. RHP: .970 OPS
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QUOTE (mvk112 @ Jul 10 2007, 03:21 PM) | 1. oh yes, everyone here is dumb except WiH, JWill and Bayliss.
2. and watching a baseball game is meaningless as to what is happening, you can tell everything by numbers.
3. and records dont matter, only periphial statistics.
4. enlighten us all to how great you are. please.
5. and dump all over small sample sizes, but declare yourselves geniuses because Jack Cust puts up a great HALF season. |
1. Well, that certainly brought my statement revolving around people creating things I never said to fruition.
2. See one.
3. I don't even know what you're trying to say, here, but it souunds like something I didn't say.
4. Now, I can certainly do that.
5.
STOP DOING THAT!!!!!! The difference between a guy like Nadys sample
size, which I question, and Custs, is the fact that Nady has 4 years of
MLB RHP under his belt to gauge and compare too.
What does
Cust have? Oh yeah, 150 sporatic MLB ABs to show everyone how much he
sucked and didn't deserve a chance. That worked out well.
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JWill,
I
really liked your analysis of pitches/plate appearance. I've never seen
any post about that on the board. Tremendous work. When you consider
that a SP usually doesn't reach 100 pitches during a game, and Cust is
seeing around 20 on average, that means he's at least 20% responsible
for eliminating another team's SP prematurely.
It's just a shame that your work is going to be read by few, buried amongst this rampant ownership of mvk.
If you reposted it separately, I would certainly give it props.
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QUOTE (Winters in Holland @ Jul 10 2007, 03:38 PM) | JWill,
I
really liked your analysis of pitches/plate appearance. I've
never seen any post about that on the board. Tremendous
work. When you consider that a SP usually doesn't reach 100
pitches during a game, and Cust is seeing around 20 on average, that
means he's at least 20% responsible for eliminating another team's SP
prematurely.
It's just a shame that your work is going to be read by few, buried amongst this rampant ownership of mvk.
If you reposted it separately, I would certainly give it props.
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Bayliss
loves to post (I think FJM started it) the top 10 strikeout guys vs the
top 10 hardest to strikeout and explain how the ladder would get the
shit kicked out of them by the first, offensively.
That has
always had me thinking about the possibilities of a guy like Cust (or
many others) who concedes the fact that he is going to strikeout a lot,
accepts it, and becomes a better offensive player for it.
The
reason I say this is because it's just about impossible to look at a
guys numbers and say, well, you need to strikeout 25-30 times less a
year and you will be a better offensive player. Perhaps, but it's
always a balancing act. If you strikeout less, you probobly walk less,
and it's my opinion that even if this isn't a 1 for 1 trade off, it's
making you a weaker offensive player.
If I reposted the P/PA or
any corresponding statistics around it, I'd likely do it in the form of
a large thread at a later date. Hopefully I can build up the energy,
because at the very least, I'm nterested myself.
And just for math's sake:
A guy goes 5 innings, giving up 6 baserunners.
Freddy Sanchez: 70.98 pitches Jack Cust: 91.98 pitches
One
starting pitcher has 2/3 strong innings left in the tank, which
essentially takes away what is often the weakest part of a pitching
staff (middle relief).
The other start pitcher is likely already tired, and looking at another inning, tops.
That's a pretty big differance, although I'm looking at two extremes with Sanchez (3.32) and Cust (4.38).
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QUOTE (Winters in Holland @ Jul 10 2007, 10:38 AM) | JWill,
I
really liked your analysis of pitches/plate appearance. I've never seen
any post about that on the board. Tremendous work. When you consider
that a SP usually doesn't reach 100 pitches during a game, and Cust is
seeing around 20 on average, that means he's at least 20% responsible
for eliminating another team's SP prematurely.
It's just a shame that your work is going to be read by few, buried amongst this rampant ownership of mvk.
If you reposted it separately, I would certainly give it props.
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yes i feel so owned because Michael Fucking Restovich is in AAA.
damn, it must feel so great to be so right all the time...
in the meantime, Jack Cust's great first half is sponsored by Craig Wilson's 2004 first half.
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QUOTE (Winters in Holland @ Jul 10 2007, 04:08 PM) | QUOTE (mvk112 @ Jul 10 2007, 11:03 AM) | in the meantime, Jack Cust's great first half is sponsored by Craig Wilson's 2004 first half. |
!!!
Me thinks I've found my new signature line...
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You mean comparing unsimilar players who swing baseball bats from
opposite sides of the plate isn't a great way to evaluate offensive
players?
Who knew?
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QUOTE (JwILLsCERA @ Jul 10 2007, 11:10 AM) | QUOTE (Winters in Holland @ Jul 10 2007, 04:08 PM) | QUOTE (mvk112 @ Jul 10 2007, 11:03 AM) | in the meantime, Jack Cust's great first half is sponsored by Craig Wilson's 2004 first half. |
!!!
Me thinks I've found my new signature line...
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You
mean comparing unsimilar players who swing baseball bats from opposite
sides of the plate isn't a great way to evaluate offensive players?
Who knew?
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nobody compared the two players, i just stated that Jack Cust's first
half is sponsored by Craig Wilson's first half of 2004. no comparison
was given. it was a salute to both players putting up great numbers in
the first half of those respective seasons, nothing more nothing less.
if you can't see that, then that is an issue with your reading
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QUOTE (JwILLsCERA @ Jul 10 2007, 11:46 AM) |
Bayliss loves to post (I think FJM started it) the top 10 strikeout
guys vs the top 10 hardest to strikeout and explain how the ladder
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I'm not going to argue that strikeouts are worse than other outs, because I see that as a non-issue, but here's my opinion.
Generally
there are two types of players that strike out a lot. The good hitters
(Dunn, Howard, etc) and the bad (JJ Davis, Hermanson). If you're a bad
hitter AND strike out, you're career is short lived and you'll never
get enough bats to get into the top 10. The exception to this is Jose
Hernandez who just hovered above suck for most of his career.
But
if you don't strike out a lot you could also be a good or bad hitter.
It's just that the bad hitters that don't strike out don't get canned
as frequently (i.e. Jack, Duffy, etc) because people still think
they're productive even though they suck.
So being a good hitter
is more important than how you make outs. Obviously the best case is
the hitters like Sheffield that are good hitters AND don't strike out,
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QUOTE (uberbiermensch @ Jul 10 2007, 04:28 PM) | QUOTE (JwILLsCERA @ Jul 10 2007, 11:46 AM) |
Bayliss loves to post (I think FJM started it) the top 10 strikeout
guys vs the top 10 hardest to strikeout and explain how the ladder
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I'm not going to argue that strikeouts are worse than other outs, because I see that as a non-issue, but here's my opinion.
Generally
there are two types of players that strike out a lot. The good hitters
(Dunn, Howard, etc) and the bad (JJ Davis, Hermanson). If you're a bad
hitter AND strike out, you're career is short lived and you'll never
get enough bats to get into the top 10. The exception to this is Jose
Hernandez who just hovered above suck for most of his career.
But
if you don't strike out a lot you could also be a good or bad hitter.
It's just that the bad hitters that don't strike out don't get canned
as frequently (i.e. Jack, Duffy, etc) because people still think
they're productive even though they suck.
So being a good hitter
is more important than how you make outs. Obviously the best case is
the hitters like Sheffield that are good hitters AND don't strike out,
but then you're splitting hairs.
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Exactly.
And another thing, which I mentioned earliar, is putting a price tag of striking out.
I am thoroughly convinced that guys like Adam Dunn and Jack Cust could strikeout less if they really wanted to.
However,
it would likely cause them to swing at pitches earliar in the count,
and be less selective in pitches they swing at all together.
Thus, it would certainly hurt their walk rates, and could probobly put a dent in some of their BABIP rates as well.
And quite frankly, I think both of them understand that that trade-off blows as far as being a productive offensive player.
BB + K >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No BB + No K
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QUOTE (Winters in Holland @ Jul 10 2007, 11:29 AM) | QUOTE (mvk112 @ Jul 10 2007, 11:25 AM) |
nobody compared the two players, i just stated that Jack Cust's first
half is sponsored by Craig Wilson's first half of 2004. no
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You are such an idiot.
You just compared them, plain as day.
Now
that Jwill called you out on it, you're backpeddaling with some lame
excuse that would make the Paulino CERA reply look like the work of a
Rhodes Scholar.
Just go back to the kids' table and allow the adults to finish eating.
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where the fuck did i compare the two players? just fucking show me, asshole?
tell
me how the fuck "Jack Cust's great first half is sponsored by Craig
Wilson's 2004 first half" compares the two in any remote fucking way?
go strap one on and fuck Jack Cust in the ass, cause I have no doubt you are a dickless wonder.
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QUOTE (mvk112 @ Jul 10 2007, 04:33 PM) | QUOTE (Winters in Holland @ Jul 10 2007, 11:29 AM) | QUOTE (mvk112 @ Jul 10 2007, 11:25 AM) |
nobody compared the two players, i just stated that Jack Cust's first
half is sponsored by Craig Wilson's first half of 2004. no
comparison was given. |
You are such an idiot.
You just compared them, plain as day.
Now
that Jwill called you out on it, you're backpeddaling with some lame
excuse that would make the Paulino CERA reply look like the work of a
Rhodes Scholar.
Just go back to the kids' table and allow the adults to finish eating.
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where the fuck did i compare the two players? just fucking show me, asshole?
tell
me how the fuck "Jack Cust's great first half is sponsored by Craig
Wilson's 2004 first half" compares the two in any remote fucking way?
go strap one on and fuck Jack Cust in the ass, cause I have no doubt you are a dickless wonder.
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You didn't compare the two?
What exactly were you doing, then?
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I'm sorry, could you retype that in numbers? I don't understand words or letters, only statistics.
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QUOTE (JwILLsCERA @ Jul 10 2007, 11:47 AM) | QUOTE (Winters in Holland @ Jul 10 2007, 04:43 PM) | Yes mvk, what exactly was it that you were doing?
If
the two were completely unrelated as you claim, their simultaneous
presence in your post must be viewed as a sheer coincidence.
Is
that what you are telling us? What it simply a chance cosmic
alignment that brought Jack Cust and Craig Wilson together in your post?
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Or
perhaps that a percieved Wilson 'drop-off' ever since the first half of
'04 might be some kind of shitty and feeble attempt at a comparison
from a guy who obviously hates Jack Cust and is blatantly trying to
insinuate a similar 'drop-off' despite the fact that no evidance exists
supporting the claim itself.
One of the two, would be my guess.
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Yes, i clearly hate Jack Cust, he is the bane of my existence. i don't
know how i go on living life with him posting a .965 first half OPS in
220 plate appearances. how will my world ever be the same? hopefully
for my sake he will go on as he has in his past week and OPS .640,
because if he doesn't, i might just lose all interest in the Pirates.
After all, in addition to being one of 29 teams that caused Jack Cust
to spend his last 6 years in AAA, they released Michael Restovich.
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"HAH!!!! Dairy Queen indeed! I
said a couple of weeks ago that he might not even make it to the end of
June before he is sent down. If it wasn't for one Adam Hyzdu circa July
2002-esque 10 game stretch, nobody except JWill would know Cust's name. From May 10 to May 19, he had OPS'd 1.596 http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/gl.cg...7&t=b#74:83:sumSince then, in twice the amount of games, his OPS has been .502. I still think, as I stated then, that Cust is gone once Piazza comes off the DL."
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QUOTE (PSU4Lyfe @ Jul 10 2007, 05:07 PM) |
Didn't read the whole thread but going back a little I have to say a
job well done by JWill. Seeing pitches is one attribute that I
absolutely love a player to have and P/PA is something I've been
looking at for some time(Bobby Abreu is always near the top in that
stat), to an extent of course. A guy like Freddy Sanchez is a free
swinger and it works out well for him because he has such superior
barrel control that he can get away with it. Pitches that may not be in
his "red zone" he still hits doubles and singles with them because he
knows what he is doing. But if a player, like Cust, can see a lot of
pitches and be very productive he is an asset to his team. Most teams
don't have a deep bullpen, so if you can help out by getting the SP out
of the game early then you are helping your team tremendously. |
Along the lines of this, I think if you could assemble a team that is
full of players who see a lot of pitches and are still productive, your
offensive production would be off the charts. Especially in an extended
series or even a playoff series when the opposition's bullpen would get
worn down.
The Yankees lineup after they acquired Abreu last
year was very good at seeing pitches and it worked out very well for
them. SPs rarely lasted longer than 5-6 innings, and often did not even
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QUOTE (mvk112 @ Jul 10 2007, 05:13 PM) | I could care less why he is on the DL, I just stated that he is on the DL.
Maybe
you have a problem with reading, and always have to think there is more
to everything than there is, I cant help you there. |
Yea, you're right. Sorry for making the connection with that your
prediction of "Cust being gone when Piazza comes off the DL" as an idea
that you didn't think the A's thought enough of Cust to carry him on
the roster once Piazza returned. Yes, indeed, my bad. Sorry again for
thinking that the fact of a healthy Piazza sitting in Oakland's minor
league facility today working on his arm strength because the A's have
already made the clear cut decision that Cust will be DH'ing through
the all-star break and through Piazza's eventual return meant anything.
Uh huh, I appoligize from the bottom of my heart for taking your
incorrect prediction and proving such with overwhelming evidance.
Wont happen again.
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First, the allegations were that Jack Cust would be back in the minors by the end of June.
Now,
since that has been proved wrong, it is he has a small sample size of
only 220 PAs. Sure, he has had a good 1st half, but I don't think he
will prove it over the course of the full year.
At the end of
the year, I predict something along the lines of "many players have
career years, look at Joe Crede last year" or something along those
lines.
After Cust dominates again next year it will be "Jack Cust will be either terrible or out of baseball within the next 15 years".
And
then after it is proven that Cust is indeed immortal and has no ill
effects of getting older, and is still dominating the MLB in 2048, mvk
will finally admit he was wrong.
So you know, if all that happens, maybe he will just say he was wrong.
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QUOTE (OldUsernameWas StrandedByBayliss @ Jul 10 2007, 12:10 PM) | QUOTE (PSU4Lyfe @ Jul 10 2007, 05:07 PM) |
Didn't read the whole thread but going back a little I have to say a
job well done by JWill. Seeing pitches is one attribute that I
absolutely love a player to have and P/PA is something I've been
looking at for some time(Bobby Abreu is always near the top in that
stat), to an extent of course. A guy like Freddy Sanchez is a
free swinger and it works out well for him because he has such superior
barrel control that he can get away with it. Pitches that may not
be in his "red zone" he still hits doubles and singles with them
because he knows what he is doing. But if a player, like Cust,
can see a lot of pitches and be very productive he is an asset to his
team. Most teams don't have a deep bullpen, so if you can help
out by getting the SP out of the game early then you are helping your
team tremendously. |
Along
the lines of this, I think if you could assemble a team that is full of
players who see a lot of pitches and are still productive, your
offensive production would be off the charts. Especially in an extended
series or even a playoff series when the opposition's bullpen would get
worn down.
The Yankees lineup after they acquired Abreu last
year was very good at seeing pitches and it worked out very well for
them. SPs rarely lasted longer than 5-6 innings, and often did not even
last that long.
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you know, way back when I first looked at OBN it was because the guy
that has his articles on the front page did a study of pitches per
plate appearance and concluded something about it having little
positive effect.
I remember disagreeing with a bunch of what he
said, but I also seem to remember that many of the numbers did seem to
show that it wasn't as important as I thought it was.
Oh well, I don't know how to search that site to see if the article/discussion is still there. I tried briefly and gave up.
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Name calling and insults coming very soon in this thread. |
If that prediction comes true, I have another.
Jeff King gets out the lube.
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Apparently
you do care why he is on the DL or you wouldn't have brought it up. And
from what I can gather, you brought it up as a reason Cust is still on
the A's.
So not only was your assumption wrong, but even if it had been right, it was wrong.
Basically you're wrong.
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i first stated that in early June when Jesus Chr... I mean Jack Cust
was in the midst of a .502 OPS streak over 20 games. He has since
rebounded, and I have said nothing bad about him since. if you miscontrue something i post a month ago as something i post today, is it my fault? All
I did was state a fact that Mike Piazza is on the disabled list still.
I did not restate my belief of onetime that Jesus Chr.. I mean Jack
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QUOTE (oblongatta @ Jul 10 2007, 05:24 PM) | QUOTE (OldUsernameWas StrandedByBayliss @ Jul 10 2007, 12:10 PM) | QUOTE (PSU4Lyfe @ Jul 10 2007, 05:07 PM) |
Didn't read the whole thread but going back a little I have to say a
job well done by JWill. Seeing pitches is one attribute that I
absolutely love a player to have and P/PA is something I've been
looking at for some time(Bobby Abreu is always near the top in that
stat), to an extent of course. A guy like Freddy Sanchez is a
free swinger and it works out well for him because he has such superior
barrel control that he can get away with it. Pitches that may not
be in his "red zone" he still hits doubles and singles with them
because he knows what he is doing. But if a player, like Cust,
can see a lot of pitches and be very productive he is an asset to his
team. Most teams don't have a deep bullpen, so if you can help
out by getting the SP out of the game early then you are helping your
team tremendously. |
Along
the lines of this, I think if you could assemble a team that is full of
players who see a lot of pitches and are still productive, your
offensive production would be off the charts. Especially in an extended
series or even a playoff series when the opposition's bullpen would get
worn down.
The Yankees lineup after they acquired Abreu last
year was very good at seeing pitches and it worked out very well for
them. SPs rarely lasted longer than 5-6 innings, and often did not even
last that long.
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you
know, way back when I first looked at OBN it was because the guy that
has his articles on the front page did a study of pitches per plate
appearance and concluded something about it having little positive
effect.
I remember disagreeing with a bunch of what he said, but
I also seem to remember that many of the numbers did seem to show that
it wasn't as important as I thought it was.
Oh well, I don't know how to search that site to see if the article/discussion is still there. I tried briefly and gave up.
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Hm, that would be interesting to see a study done on something like that.
I
similar to you, have neither the time nor motivation to do the study
myself. Hopefully someone who gets paid to do that kind of stuff will
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