lrhotspot21	Posted: Aug 30 2007, 09:20 PM
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lrhotspot21	Posted: Aug 30 2007, 10:30 PM
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mickeyg13	Posted: Aug 30 2007, 10:33 PM
AAA Ball Group: Members Posts: 744 Member No.: 40 Joined: 9-May 07 Warn: (0%)	Most of the top teams schedule what they think will be cup cake games early on. I agree that the Big East deserves more respect, but tonight's games aren't really evidence of that.
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herrmorpheus	Posted: Aug 30 2007, 10:37 PM
DAS BOOT! Group: Members Posts: 9,956 Member No.: 13 Joined: 8-May 07 Warn: (0%)	You can't be serious. The only FBS/I-A team they're playing is Buffalo, and they should be an FCS/I-AA team. They've won seven games since 2002. Murray State and Southeast Missouri State aren't even that competitive in FCS football, let alone against FBS teams in major conferences. No, the Big East loses my respect for scheduling these games. If you're going to take the time to schedule a FBS/I-AA team, at least go for the big fish. Get Youngstown State, Montana, Appalachain State, North Dakota State, etc. -------------------- "Stats are like miniskirts. They give some great ideas but they obscure everything else." Robert Morris Colonials Blog - http://colonialscorner.blogspot.com Faceoff Factor - http://www.faceoff-factor.com
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JwILLsCERA	Posted: Aug 30 2007, 10:38 PM
Scruff McGruff, Chicago Illinois, 60652 Group: Members Posts: 13,007 Member No.: 30 Joined: 8-May 07 Warn: (0%)	QUOTE (herrmorpheus @ Aug 31 2007, 02:37 AM) You can't be serious. The only FBS/I-A team they're playing is Buffalo, and they should be an FCS/I-AA team. They've won seven games since 2002. Murray State and Southeast Missouri State aren't even that competitive in FCS football, let alone against FBS teams in major conferences. No, the Big East loses my respect for scheduling these games. If you're going to take the time to schedule a FBS/I-AA team, at least go for the big fish. Get Youngstown State, Montana, Appalachain State, North Dakota State, etc. Yes. Yes. Yes. -------------------- Fuck the Redsox.
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monarch0	Posted: Aug 30 2007, 10:39 PM
The Pirates have been wasting my time and money since 1992. Group: Members Posts: 13,300 Member No.: 32 Joined: 8-May 07 Warn: (0%)	Everyone schedules these games. What a ridiculous argument. WVU scheduled a conference winner. That doesn't change the fact they're a I-AA school. CFB needs to cut back to 11 games to end this shit. -------------------- The Pirates are like the token hot-and-crazy chick that you shouldn't date, and you know it, but you can't help yourself. I would take Gil Brown over Butler every day of the week and twice on Sundays. - NYPirate People say I'm an asshole and generally I agree. - GB21 Freddy is much better at baseball than Woosh. -- LHB
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herrmorpheus	Posted: Aug 30 2007, 10:41 PM
DAS BOOT! Group: Members Posts: 9,956 Member No.: 13 Joined: 8-May 07 Warn: (0%)	QUOTE (monarch0 @ Aug 30 2007, 10:39 PM) Everyone schedules these games. What a ridiculous argument. WVU scheduled a conference winner. That doesn't change the fact they're a I-AA school. CFB needs to cut back to 11 games to end this shit. Actually, West Virginia doesn't have any FCS/I-AA teams on their schedule. -------------------- "Stats are like miniskirts. They give some great ideas but they obscure everything else." Robert Morris Colonials Blog - http://colonialscorner.blogspot.com Faceoff Factor - http://www.faceoff-factor.com
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monarch0	Posted: Aug 30 2007, 10:44 PM
The Pirates have been wasting my time and money since 1992. Group: Members Posts: 13,300 Member No.: 32 Joined: 8-May 07 Warn: (0%)	QUOTE (herrmorpheus @ Aug 30 2007, 10:41 PM) QUOTE (monarch0 @ Aug 30 2007, 10:39 PM) Everyone schedules these games.  What a ridiculous argument.  WVU scheduled a conference winner.  That doesn't change the fact they're a I-AA school.  CFB needs to cut back to 11 games to end this shit. Actually, West Virginia doesn't have any FCS/I-AA teams on their schedule. My bad, I thought western michigan was. I guess they're pretty good for a "softie." And Appy State sucks. Can't believe that's viewed as "ok" for michigan. -------------------- The Pirates are like the token hot-and-crazy chick that you shouldn't date, and you know it, but you can't help yourself. I would take Gil Brown over Butler every day of the week and twice on Sundays. - NYPirate People say I'm an asshole and generally I agree. - GB21 Freddy is much better at baseball than Woosh. -- LHB
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herrmorpheus	Posted: Aug 30 2007, 10:49 PM
DAS BOOT! Group: Members Posts: 9,956 Member No.: 13 Joined: 8-May 07 Warn: (0%)	If the NCAA wants to fix the Football Bowl Subdivision - formerly I-A - then they need to install a playoff system similar to what currently works very well in the Football Championship Subdivision - formerly I-AA. Teams are done by mid-November with their 11 game schedules. Eight conferences have automatic bids for their conference champions. Eight teams are selected as at-large bids. They play a standard bracket with the highest seeded team getting the home game. Since 1997, the Championship Subdivision Championship Game has been played annually on Davenport Field at Finley Stadium, in Chattanooga, Tennessee. Finley Stadium is the home field of the University of Tennessee at Chattanooga. You could make it a 32 team bracket and still finish around New Year's. The first round is played at the home of the higher seed (that elusive 12th game on the schedule). The second round is played at the sites of some of the lesser bowl games (Detroit and the Motor City Bowl, etc). The quarterfinals, with eight teams left, are played at the sites of places like the Outback Bowl. The semifinals and finals are played similar to the BCS Games - rotate the championship game around the sites for the Orange Bowl, Rose Bowl, Fiesta Bowl, etc. Simple solution. -------------------- "Stats are like miniskirts. They give some great ideas but they obscure everything else." Robert Morris Colonials Blog - http://colonialscorner.blogspot.com Faceoff Factor - http://www.faceoff-factor.com
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herrmorpheus	Posted: Aug 30 2007, 10:50 PM
DAS BOOT! Group: Members Posts: 9,956 Member No.: 13 Joined: 8-May 07 Warn: (0%)	QUOTE (monarch0 @ Aug 30 2007, 10:44 PM) QUOTE (herrmorpheus @ Aug 30 2007, 10:41 PM) QUOTE (monarch0 @ Aug 30 2007, 10:39 PM) Everyone schedules these games.  What a ridiculous argument.  WVU scheduled a conference winner.  That doesn't change the fact they're a I-AA school.  CFB needs to cut back to 11 games to end this shit. Actually, West Virginia doesn't have any FCS/I-AA teams on their schedule. My bad, I thought western michigan was. I guess they're pretty good for a "softie." And Appy State sucks. Can't believe that's viewed as "ok" for michigan. Appalachain State won the FCS/I-AA championship last year. They'll give Michigan quite a ball game. -------------------- "Stats are like miniskirts. They give some great ideas but they obscure everything else." Robert Morris Colonials Blog - http://colonialscorner.blogspot.com Faceoff Factor - http://www.faceoff-factor.com
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GoBucs21	Posted: Aug 30 2007, 10:50 PM
All-Star Group: Members Posts: 5,848 Member No.: 84 Joined: 12-May 07 Warn: (0%)	QUOTE (herrmorpheus @ Aug 30 2007, 09:37 PM) You can't be serious. The only FBS/I-A team they're playing is Buffalo, and they should be an FCS/I-AA team. They've won seven games since 2002. Murray State and Southeast Missouri State aren't even that competitive in FCS football, let alone against FBS teams in major conferences. No, the Big East loses my respect for scheduling these games. If you're going to take the time to schedule a FBS/I-AA team, at least go for the big fish. Get Youngstown State, Montana, Appalachain State, North Dakota State, etc. They seemed to do well against the good teams in the bowl season. The Big East was 5-0 in bowl game last year. No other major conference did that. Big East - 5-0 SEC 6-3 ACC - 4-4 Pac 10 - 3-3 Big 12 - 3-5 Big 10 - 2-5 The Big East beat ACC teams twice and the Big 12 once. I would love to see a Big East/Big 10 early season matchup of the top teams in each conference. Heck play the first 8 from each conference. The Big 10 won't do it. Penn State won't even schedule Pitt any longer. The Big East was a better conference than the Big 10 last year and they will be this year. -------------------- Opinion is shiftable sand. It can be shifted, as Goldwater understood, by ideas, and by the other party overreaching George Will There are no constraints on the human mind, no walls around the human spirit, no barriers to our progress except those we ourselves erect. Ronald Reagan Daring ideas are like chessmen moved forward. They may be beaten, but they may start a winning game. Goethe
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monarch0	Posted: Aug 30 2007, 10:51 PM
The Pirates have been wasting my time and money since 1992. Group: Members Posts: 13,300 Member No.: 32 Joined: 8-May 07 Warn: (0%)	South Florida plays Auburn this year. WVU plays Michigan State, Auburn, and Florida State in the next 3 years. The Big East is starting to schedule well. -------------------- The Pirates are like the token hot-and-crazy chick that you shouldn't date, and you know it, but you can't help yourself. I would take Gil Brown over Butler every day of the week and twice on Sundays. - NYPirate People say I'm an asshole and generally I agree. - GB21 Freddy is much better at baseball than Woosh. -- LHB
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herrmorpheus	Posted: Aug 30 2007, 10:52 PM
DAS BOOT! Group: Members Posts: 9,956 Member No.: 13 Joined: 8-May 07 Warn: (0%)	QUOTE (GoBucs21 @ Aug 30 2007, 10:50 PM) QUOTE (herrmorpheus @ Aug 30 2007, 09:37 PM) You can't be serious. The only FBS/I-A team they're playing is Buffalo, and they should be an FCS/I-AA team. They've won seven games since 2002. Murray State and Southeast Missouri State aren't even that competitive in FCS football, let alone against FBS teams in major conferences. No, the Big East loses my respect for scheduling these games. If you're going to take the time to schedule a FBS/I-AA team, at least go for the big fish. Get Youngstown State, Montana, Appalachain State, North Dakota State, etc. They seemed to do well against the good teams in the bowl season. The Big East was 5-0 in bowl game last year. No other major conference did that. Big East - 5-0 SEC 6-3 ACC - 4-4 Pac 10 - 3-3 Big 12 - 3-5 Big 10 - 2-5 The Big East beat ACC teams twice and the Big 12 once. I would love to see a Big East/Big 10 early season matchup of the top teams in each conference. Heck play the first 8 from each conference. The Big 10 won't do it. Penn State won't even schedule Pitt any longer. The Big East was a better conference than the Big 10 last year and they will be this year. GoBucs, I don't discount any of that. I just think it cheapens the game when these high power conferences are scheduling the weakest teams in FCS/I-AA football instead of going for the tougher teams or staying with FBS/I-A football. -------------------- "Stats are like miniskirts. They give some great ideas but they obscure everything else." Robert Morris Colonials Blog - http://colonialscorner.blogspot.com Faceoff Factor - http://www.faceoff-factor.com
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monarch0	Posted: Aug 30 2007, 10:53 PM
The Pirates have been wasting my time and money since 1992. Group: Members Posts: 13,300 Member No.: 32 Joined: 8-May 07 Warn: (0%)	QUOTE (herrmorpheus @ Aug 30 2007, 10:52 PM) GoBucs, I don't discount any of that. I just think it cheapens the game when these high power conferences are scheduling the weakest teams in FCS/I-AA football instead of going for the tougher teams or staying with FBS/I-A football. Yeah, but don't act like the Big East are the only culprits. -------------------- The Pirates are like the token hot-and-crazy chick that you shouldn't date, and you know it, but you can't help yourself. I would take Gil Brown over Butler every day of the week and twice on Sundays. - NYPirate People say I'm an asshole and generally I agree. - GB21 Freddy is much better at baseball than Woosh. -- LHB
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pensteel	Posted: Aug 30 2007, 10:54 PM
AAA Ball Group: Members Posts: 903 Member No.: 90 Joined: 15-May 07 Warn: (0%)	QUOTE (GoBucs21 @ Aug 30 2007, 09:50 PM) They seemed to do well against the good teams in the bowl season. The Big East was 5-0 in bowl game last year. No other major conference did that. Big East - 5-0 SEC 6-3 ACC - 4-4 Pac 10 - 3-3 Big 12 - 3-5 Big 10 - 2-5 The Big East beat ACC teams twice and the Big 12 once. I would love to see a Big East/Big 10 early season matchup of the top teams in each conference. Heck play the first 8 from each conference. The Big 10 won't do it. Penn State won't even schedule Pitt any longer. The Big East was a better conference than the Big 10 last year and they will be this year. OSU v. Wake Forest Michigan v Ga Tech. Wisconsin v Kansas St. Penn State v East Carolina Purdue v Western Michigan Big Ten goes 5-0 in those games as well. (btw, those are the teams the Big East played against in bowls last year). Big Ten >>>>>>>>>>>>>Big East last year and all other years.
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JwILLsCERA	Posted: Aug 30 2007, 10:55 PM
Scruff McGruff, Chicago Illinois, 60652 Group: Members Posts: 13,007 Member No.: 30 Joined: 8-May 07 Warn: (0%)	I think the main concern for Herm (and I) stemmed from using 3 games against Buffalo, Morehead State, and SE Missouri St. to show, well, anything. -------------------- Fuck the Redsox.
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monarch0	Posted: Aug 30 2007, 10:55 PM
The Pirates have been wasting my time and money since 1992. Group: Members Posts: 13,300 Member No.: 32 Joined: 8-May 07 Warn: (0%)	The Big Ten fucking blows. It is way more topheavy than the Big East. -------------------- The Pirates are like the token hot-and-crazy chick that you shouldn't date, and you know it, but you can't help yourself. I would take Gil Brown over Butler every day of the week and twice on Sundays. - NYPirate People say I'm an asshole and generally I agree. - GB21 Freddy is much better at baseball than Woosh. -- LHB
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herrmorpheus	Posted: Aug 30 2007, 10:55 PM
DAS BOOT! Group: Members Posts: 9,956 Member No.: 13 Joined: 8-May 07 Warn: (0%)	QUOTE (monarch0 @ Aug 30 2007, 10:53 PM) QUOTE (herrmorpheus @ Aug 30 2007, 10:52 PM) GoBucs, I don't discount any of that. I just think it cheapens the game when these high power conferences are scheduling the weakest teams in FCS/I-AA football instead of going for the tougher teams or staying with FBS/I-A football. Yeah, but don't act like the Big East are the only culprits. I'm not. This thread was about touting the performance of the Big East tonight against crap teams. I objected to that. -------------------- "Stats are like miniskirts. They give some great ideas but they obscure everything else." Robert Morris Colonials Blog - http://colonialscorner.blogspot.com Faceoff Factor - http://www.faceoff-factor.com
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JwILLsCERA	Posted: Aug 30 2007, 10:56 PM
Scruff McGruff, Chicago Illinois, 60652 Group: Members Posts: 13,007 Member No.: 30 Joined: 8-May 07 Warn: (0%)	QUOTE (monarch0 @ Aug 31 2007, 02:55 AM) The Big Ten fucking blows. It is way more topheavy than the Big East. The top is way better than the Big East's elite. What's your point? -------------------- Fuck the Redsox.
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herrmorpheus	Posted: Aug 30 2007, 10:57 PM
DAS BOOT! Group: Members Posts: 9,956 Member No.: 13 Joined: 8-May 07 Warn: (0%)	QUOTE (JwILLsCERA @ Aug 30 2007, 10:55 PM) I think the main concern for Herm (and I) stemmed from using 3 games against Buffalo, Morehead State, and SE Missouri St. to show, well, anything. Murray State, not Morehead State. Although they're about equal. The difference is Murray State actually offers scholarships to win one game like they did last year, while Morehead State does not. RMU plays Morehead State on the 22nd. Heh. -------------------- "Stats are like miniskirts. They give some great ideas but they obscure everything else." Robert Morris Colonials Blog - http://colonialscorner.blogspot.com Faceoff Factor - http://www.faceoff-factor.com
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JwILLsCERA	Posted: Aug 30 2007, 10:58 PM
Scruff McGruff, Chicago Illinois, 60652 Group: Members Posts: 13,007 Member No.: 30 Joined: 8-May 07 Warn: (0%)	QUOTE (herrmorpheus @ Aug 31 2007, 02:57 AM) Murray State, not Morehead State. Although they're about equal. The difference is Murray State actually offers scholarships to win one game like they did last year, while Morehead State does not. RMU plays Morehead State on the 22nd. Heh. Which is sad, considering the revenue Morehead St. generates through their hat sales alone. -------------------- Fuck the Redsox.
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GoBucs21	Posted: Aug 30 2007, 10:59 PM
All-Star Group: Members Posts: 5,848 Member No.: 84 Joined: 12-May 07 Warn: (0%)	QUOTE (herrmorpheus @ Aug 30 2007, 09:49 PM) If the NCAA wants to fix the Football Bowl Subdivision - formerly I-A - then they need to install a playoff system similar to what currently works very well in the Football Championship Subdivision - formerly I-AA. Teams are done by mid-November with their 11 game schedules. Eight conferences have automatic bids for their conference champions. Eight teams are selected as at-large bids. They play a standard bracket with the highest seeded team getting the home game. Since 1997, the Championship Subdivision Championship Game has been played annually on Davenport Field at Finley Stadium, in Chattanooga, Tennessee. Finley Stadium is the home field of the University of Tennessee at Chattanooga. You could make it a 32 team bracket and still finish around New Year's. The first round is played at the home of the higher seed (that elusive 12th game on the schedule). The second round is played at the sites of some of the lesser bowl games (Detroit and the Motor City Bowl, etc). The quarterfinals, with eight teams left, are played at the sites of places like the Outback Bowl. The semifinals and finals are played similar to the BCS Games - rotate the championship game around the sites for the Orange Bowl, Rose Bowl, Fiesta Bowl, etc. Simple solution. Here's why it won't work. 1. You kill the bowl games. There is way too much money in those games. The University Presidents won't accept that. 2. The NCAA can't pick the 65 best basketball teams at the end of the season. How can they pick the best 32 football teams. 3. The bitching and moaning won't stop at the 32. It will continue into the seeding. Seeds 5-28 will complain about their seeding and having to play on the road. 4. The seeding is as arbitrary as the polls. SEC teams will complain that they are hurt by playing in a highly competitive conference. Everyone will complain that everyone else had a soft schedule. 5. This one is a weak argument but the post season takes place while finals are going on. If there is a post season, lets just stop calling them students. 6. If you put the early round losers in the bowl, it becomes nothing more than a runner up game that no one watches. The post season works in the lower levels because everyone is happy to keep playing. Big time college football is about generating revenue. Elimlinating or drastically changing the bowl games hurts revenues. It won't happen. -------------------- Opinion is shiftable sand. It can be shifted, as Goldwater understood, by ideas, and by the other party overreaching George Will There are no constraints on the human mind, no walls around the human spirit, no barriers to our progress except those we ourselves erect. Ronald Reagan Daring ideas are like chessmen moved forward. They may be beaten, but they may start a winning game. Goethe
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herrmorpheus	Posted: Aug 30 2007, 10:59 PM
DAS BOOT! Group: Members Posts: 9,956 Member No.: 13 Joined: 8-May 07 Warn: (0%)	QUOTE (monarch0 @ Aug 30 2007, 10:55 PM) The Big Ten fucking blows. It is way more topheavy than the Big East. They're both scheduling about the same. -------------------- "Stats are like miniskirts. They give some great ideas but they obscure everything else." Robert Morris Colonials Blog - http://colonialscorner.blogspot.com Faceoff Factor - http://www.faceoff-factor.com
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herrmorpheus	Posted: Aug 30 2007, 11:00 PM
DAS BOOT! Group: Members Posts: 9,956 Member No.: 13 Joined: 8-May 07 Warn: (0%)	QUOTE (JwILLsCERA @ Aug 30 2007, 10:58 PM) QUOTE (herrmorpheus @ Aug 31 2007, 02:57 AM) Murray State, not Morehead State. Although they're about equal. The difference is Murray State actually offers scholarships to win one game like they did last year, while Morehead State does not. RMU plays Morehead State on the 22nd. Heh. Which is sad, considering the revenue Morehead St. generates through their hat sales alone. Indeed. Eventually, though, you'll see all FCS/I-AA teams offer scholarships or be asked to drop down to D-2 or D-3. And then you'll see a proliferation of Morehead State hats. Which will be a good thing. -------------------- "Stats are like miniskirts. They give some great ideas but they obscure everything else." Robert Morris Colonials Blog - http://colonialscorner.blogspot.com Faceoff Factor - http://www.faceoff-factor.com
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mickeyg13	Posted: Aug 30 2007, 11:00 PM
AAA Ball Group: Members Posts: 744 Member No.: 40 Joined: 9-May 07 Warn: (0%)	What would you want the Big East to do to prove itself? They win the games on their schedule, but people say they were easy games. They win at bowl games, when the schedule is out of their hands, but people ignore that as well. Two years ago their champion defeated the SEC's champion in that team's proverbial backyard. I'm not saying the Big East is the best conference or anything, but they are a fine conference, certainly deserving of their BCS bid.
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JwILLsCERA	Posted: Aug 30 2007, 11:01 PM
Scruff McGruff, Chicago Illinois, 60652 Group: Members Posts: 13,007 Member No.: 30 Joined: 8-May 07 Warn: (0%)	How about an 8 team playoff with each playoff game having the same naming and sponsoring rights as normal bowl games. Meanwhile, the lower teir bowl games play as normal with no impact on anything going on in the playoffs. -------------------- Fuck the Redsox.
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monarch0	Posted: Aug 30 2007, 11:01 PM
The Pirates have been wasting my time and money since 1992. Group: Members Posts: 13,300 Member No.: 32 Joined: 8-May 07 Warn: (0%)	QUOTE (JwILLsCERA @ Aug 30 2007, 10:56 PM) QUOTE (monarch0 @ Aug 31 2007, 02:55 AM) The Big Ten fucking blows.  It is way more topheavy than the Big East. The top is way better than the Big East's elite. What's your point? That's a matter of opinion. WVU v. Michigan is a push. Louisville would beat OSU this year. Wisconsin would beat Rutgers. South Florida would beat Penn State this year (they should have beat them two years ago) The bottom of the Big Ten is absolutely atrocious. -------------------- The Pirates are like the token hot-and-crazy chick that you shouldn't date, and you know it, but you can't help yourself. I would take Gil Brown over Butler every day of the week and twice on Sundays. - NYPirate People say I'm an asshole and generally I agree. - GB21 Freddy is much better at baseball than Woosh. -- LHB
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Ma13tt0	Posted: Aug 30 2007, 11:02 PM
Bench presser of 375 maxing out at 400. Group: Members Posts: 5,547 Member No.: 80 Joined: 11-May 07 Warn: (0%)	QUOTE (monarch0 @ Aug 30 2007, 10:01 PM) That's a matter of opinion. WVU v. Michigan is a push. Louisville would beat OSU this year. Wisconsin would beat Rutgers. South Florida would beat Penn State this year (they should have beat them two years ago) The bottom of the Big Ten is absolutely atrocious. That's about the dumbest thing I've read on this board. Don't you have women to belittle? -------------------- Could you describe the ruckus?
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mickeyg13	Posted: Aug 30 2007, 11:03 PM
AAA Ball Group: Members Posts: 744 Member No.: 40 Joined: 9-May 07 Warn: (0%)	QUOTE (GoBucs21 @ Aug 31 2007, 02:59 AM) QUOTE (herrmorpheus @ Aug 30 2007, 09:49 PM) If the NCAA wants to fix the Football Bowl Subdivision - formerly I-A - then they need to install a playoff system similar to what currently works very well in the Football Championship Subdivision - formerly I-AA. Teams are done by mid-November with their 11 game schedules. Eight conferences have automatic bids for their conference champions. Eight teams are selected as at-large bids. They play a standard bracket with the highest seeded team getting the home game. Since 1997, the Championship Subdivision Championship Game has been played annually on Davenport Field at Finley Stadium, in Chattanooga, Tennessee. Finley Stadium is the home field of the University of Tennessee at Chattanooga. You could make it a 32 team bracket and still finish around New Year's. The first round is played at the home of the higher seed (that elusive 12th game on the schedule). The second round is played at the sites of some of the lesser bowl games (Detroit and the Motor City Bowl, etc). The quarterfinals, with eight teams left, are played at the sites of places like the Outback Bowl. The semifinals and finals are played similar to the BCS Games - rotate the championship game around the sites for the Orange Bowl, Rose Bowl, Fiesta Bowl, etc. Simple solution. Here's why it won't work. 1. You kill the bowl games. There is way too much money in those games. The University Presidents won't accept that. 2. The NCAA can't pick the 65 best basketball teams at the end of the season. How can they pick the best 32 football teams. 3. The bitching and moaning won't stop at the 32. It will continue into the seeding. Seeds 5-28 will complain about their seeding and having to play on the road. 4. The seeding is as arbitrary as the polls. SEC teams will complain that they are hurt by playing in a highly competitive conference. Everyone will complain that everyone else had a soft schedule. 5. This one is a weak argument but the post season takes place while finals are going on. If there is a post season, lets just stop calling them students. 6. If you put the early round losers in the bowl, it becomes nothing more than a runner up game that no one watches. The post season works in the lower levels because everyone is happy to keep playing. Big time college football is about generating revenue. Elimlinating or drastically changing the bowl games hurts revenues. It won't happen. EVERY other NCAA sport has either a playoff system or championship meet of some sort. Every single one but I-A (or whatever it's called). I-AA has it, II has it, III has it. There will be arguments over who gets in, but they manage. Besides, you can use the current bowls as the playoff games.
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JwILLsCERA	Posted: Aug 30 2007, 11:03 PM
Scruff McGruff, Chicago Illinois, 60652 Group: Members Posts: 13,007 Member No.: 30 Joined: 8-May 07 Warn: (0%)	QUOTE (monarch0 @ Aug 31 2007, 03:01 AM) South Florida would beat Penn State this year (they should have beat them two years ago) This discussion is over. -------------------- Fuck the Redsox.
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herrmorpheus	Posted: Aug 30 2007, 11:04 PM
DAS BOOT! Group: Members Posts: 9,956 Member No.: 13 Joined: 8-May 07 Warn: (0%)	QUOTE (GoBucs21 @ Aug 30 2007, 10:59 PM) Here's why it won't work. 1. You kill the bowl games. There is way too much money in those games. The University Presidents won't accept that. 2. The NCAA can't pick the 65 best basketball teams at the end of the season. How can they pick the best 32 football teams. 3. The bitching and moaning won't stop at the 32. It will continue into the seeding. Seeds 5-28 will complain about their seeding and having to play on the road. 4. The seeding is as arbitrary as the polls. SEC teams will complain that they are hurt by playing in a highly competitive conference. Everyone will complain that everyone else had a soft schedule. 5. This one is a weak argument but the post season takes place while finals are going on. If there is a post season, lets just stop calling them students. 6. If you put the early round losers in the bowl, it becomes nothing more than a runner up game that no one watches. The post season works in the lower levels because everyone is happy to keep playing. Big time college football is about generating revenue. Elimlinating or drastically changing the bowl games hurts revenues. It won't happen. 1. True, the Bowl Games die. It's either that or continue to have the bitching and moaning all year long. 2. Also true, but that leads to... 3. Perhaps this is where the BCS Poll (revamped, of course) comes into play. Takes everything into factor, from strength of schedule to wins to win margin to loss margin and more. 4. FCS/I-AA teams have all but remedied that by scheduling tough. If you want to have a bunch of home playoff games, you get yourself into a tough conference or find a way to schedule tough out of conference opponents and then win. Put up or shut up. 5. The bulk of the post-season could occur prior to finals (Mid-November to Mid-December) and then the final rounds could take place afterwards. 6. Football fans will watch anything. It's why there's so many games on week in and week out. -------------------- "Stats are like miniskirts. They give some great ideas but they obscure everything else." Robert Morris Colonials Blog - http://colonialscorner.blogspot.com Faceoff Factor - http://www.faceoff-factor.com
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GoBucs21	Posted: Aug 30 2007, 11:04 PM
All-Star Group: Members Posts: 5,848 Member No.: 84 Joined: 12-May 07 Warn: (0%)	QUOTE (JwILLsCERA @ Aug 30 2007, 09:56 PM) QUOTE (monarch0 @ Aug 31 2007, 02:55 AM) The Big Ten fucking blows.  It is way more topheavy than the Big East. The top is way better than the Big East's elite. What's your point? What did the top three Big 10 teams do in the bowls last year? What did the top three Big East teams do? What did the top two Big 10 teams do in the bowls last season? What did the top two Big East teams do? Michigan and Ohio State were the class of the Big 10 last season. They just didn't get pasted, they were embarrassed. If they were the best of the Big 10, how good can the rest of the conference be? Michigan is once again overrated. Ohio State may be accurately ranked. Who know where Wisconsin is. I would love to see them play WVU, Louisville and Rutgers but we both know the Bitty 10 won't do it. -------------------- Opinion is shiftable sand. It can be shifted, as Goldwater understood, by ideas, and by the other party overreaching George Will There are no constraints on the human mind, no walls around the human spirit, no barriers to our progress except those we ourselves erect. Ronald Reagan Daring ideas are like chessmen moved forward. They may be beaten, but they may start a winning game. Goethe
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Ma13tt0	Posted: Aug 30 2007, 11:07 PM
Bench presser of 375 maxing out at 400. Group: Members Posts: 5,547 Member No.: 80 Joined: 11-May 07 Warn: (0%)	QUOTE (GoBucs21 @ Aug 30 2007, 09:59 PM) The post season works in the lower levels because everyone is happy to keep playing. Big time college football is about generating revenue. Elimlinating or drastically changing the bowl games hurts revenues. It won't happen. I think the companies paying $40 billion a second for a commercial will disagree with you. -------------------- Could you describe the ruckus?
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ecbenito	Posted: Aug 30 2007, 11:08 PM
Master of the Universe Group: Members Posts: 6,480 Member No.: 64 Joined: 9-May 07 Warn: (0%)	QUOTE They seemed to do well against the good teams in the bowl season. The Big East was 5-0 in bowl game last year. No other major conference did that. Big East - 5-0 SEC 6-3 ACC - 4-4 Pac 10 - 3-3 Big 12 - 3-5 Big 10 - 2-5 Big East defeated: Wake Forest, Georgia Tech, Kansas State, Western Michigan and East Carolina Big Ten defeated: Tennessee and Arkansas Big Ten loses to: Florida, USC, Texas, Maryland and Texas Tech Yeah, definately the same level of competition faced in bowl games. Big Ten loses to the national champs and the 4th ranked team in the country (current #1). The Big East beats 1 team ranked in the top 25. You're right, no other team went 5-0 against the complete juggernauts that the Big East faced. Something to definately be proud of for that conference. They'll get my respect when they do something to fucking earn it.
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Ma13tt0	Posted: Aug 30 2007, 11:08 PM
Bench presser of 375 maxing out at 400. Group: Members Posts: 5,547 Member No.: 80 Joined: 11-May 07 Warn: (0%)	QUOTE (GoBucs21 @ Aug 30 2007, 10:04 PM) What did the top three Big 10 teams do in the bowls last year?  What did the top three Big East teams do? What did the top two Big 10 teams do in the bowls last season?  What did the top two Big East teams do? Wasn't this discussed. BCS Champs Florida Gators >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GTech/Wake Forest/Kansas St/East Carolina/Western Michigan. -------------------- Could you describe the ruckus?
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herrmorpheus	Posted: Aug 30 2007, 11:12 PM
DAS BOOT! Group: Members Posts: 9,956 Member No.: 13 Joined: 8-May 07 Warn: (0%)	This is ridiculous. It's Pitt and Big East fans versus Penn State and Big Ten fans and no one will see the other side. This topic wasn't about the Big East versus the Big Ten, but some of you can't look past your allegiances to admit that three Big East teams scheduled weak opponents tonight. Your only excuse has been "Well, everyone else does it" and that's fucking lame. I don't want to hear the bitching when any of your teams - Big East, Big Ten, or Big Momma's House - finishes .5 points away from a BCS Bowl because you got knocked because of your strength of schedule. -------------------- "Stats are like miniskirts. They give some great ideas but they obscure everything else." Robert Morris Colonials Blog - http://colonialscorner.blogspot.com Faceoff Factor - http://www.faceoff-factor.com
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GoBucs21	Posted: Aug 30 2007, 11:14 PM
All-Star Group: Members Posts: 5,848 Member No.: 84 Joined: 12-May 07 Warn: (0%)	QUOTE (herrmorpheus @ Aug 30 2007, 10:04 PM) QUOTE (GoBucs21 @ Aug 30 2007, 10:59 PM) Here's why it won't work. 1.  You kill the bowl games.  There is way too much money in those games.  The University Presidents won't accept that. 2.  The NCAA can't pick the 65 best basketball teams at the end of the season.  How can they pick the best 32 football teams. 3.  The bitching and moaning won't stop at the 32.  It will continue into the seeding.  Seeds 5-28 will complain about their seeding and having to play on the road. 4.  The seeding is as arbitrary as the polls.  SEC teams will complain that they are hurt by playing in a highly competitive conference.  Everyone will complain that everyone else had a soft schedule. 5.  This one is a weak argument but the post season takes place while finals are going on.  If there is a post season, lets just stop calling them students. 6.  If you put the early round losers in the bowl, it becomes nothing more than a runner up game that no one watches. The post season works in the lower levels because everyone is happy to keep playing.  Big time college football is about generating revenue.  Elimlinating or drastically changing the bowl games hurts revenues.  It won't happen. 1. True, the Bowl Games die. It's either that or continue to have the bitching and moaning all year long. 2. Also true, but that leads to... 3. Perhaps this is where the BCS Poll (revamped, of course) comes into play. Takes everything into factor, from strength of schedule to wins to win margin to loss margin and more. 4. FCS/I-AA teams have all but remedied that by scheduling tough. If you want to have a bunch of home playoff games, you get yourself into a tough conference or find a way to schedule tough out of conference opponents and then win. Put up or shut up. 5. The bulk of the post-season could occur prior to finals (Mid-November to Mid-December) and then the final rounds could take place afterwards. 6. Football fans will watch anything. It's why there's so many games on week in and week out. 3. The BCS polls used to take all those things into account. That's how we ended up with Nebraska in the BCS game a few years ago. Then we had Oklahoma in instead of USC. Each time those Big 12 teams lost their conference championship game but the BCS poll found them to be the right team. The systems gets gamed. Florida won the championship fair and square on the field. But near the end of the season, Urban Meyer started whining about how the SEC was so tough that its losses shouldn't count as other losses. While his team beat the shit out of Ohio State, I still think he whined his way into position to beat them. You can put everyone in tough conferences if you like, it won't work because no college plays anything remotely close to the same schedule. What happens to the schools that aren't in the BCS conferences? How do they get into those conferences? Even if they do, how do you determine the difference between the third best team in the SEC from the second best team in the PAC? Finally, this system will be gamed to generate revenues. If Pitt is the 15 seed and Georgia is the true (however that's determined), Georgia will magically get the higher seed because Georgia fills the stadium. 6. Actually, I believe the ratings of the non-BCS games are starting to suffer. That is my opinion. I don't have the data to support it though. It won't happen. Like I said, we get four day of pissing and griping before the basketball tournament. Trying to do it with 32 football teams will be impossible. No one will agree with any system. -------------------- Opinion is shiftable sand. It can be shifted, as Goldwater understood, by ideas, and by the other party overreaching George Will There are no constraints on the human mind, no walls around the human spirit, no barriers to our progress except those we ourselves erect. Ronald Reagan Daring ideas are like chessmen moved forward. They may be beaten, but they may start a winning game. Goethe
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buccosmfg	Posted: Aug 30 2007, 11:14 PM
I'm President Charlie! Group: Members Posts: 6,979 Member No.: 37 Joined: 8-May 07 Warn: (0%)	QUOTE (GoBucs21 @ Aug 30 2007, 11:04 PM) What did the top three Big 10 teams do in the bowls last year? What did the top three Big East teams do? What did the top two Big 10 teams do in the bowls last season? What did the top two Big East teams do? Michigan and Ohio State were the class of the Big 10 last season. They just didn't get pasted, they were embarrassed. If they were the best of the Big 10, how good can the rest of the conference be? are you seriously comparing Florida and USC to Wake Forest and Ga. Tech? -------------------- "Baseball, it is said, is only a game. True. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole in Arizona. Not all holes, or games, are created equal." "Baseball is Heaven's gift to mortals." Mercer Rulz!
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JwILLsCERA	Posted: Aug 30 2007, 11:14 PM
Scruff McGruff, Chicago Illinois, 60652 Group: Members Posts: 13,007 Member No.: 30 Joined: 8-May 07 Warn: (0%)	And it's even more than that. It's people using the scores they produced from this banjo competition and using it to try to prove something. -------------------- Fuck the Redsox.
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Ma13tt0	Posted: Aug 30 2007, 11:15 PM
Bench presser of 375 maxing out at 400. Group: Members Posts: 5,547 Member No.: 80 Joined: 11-May 07 Warn: (0%)	QUOTE (herrmorpheus @ Aug 30 2007, 10:12 PM) I don't want to hear the bitching when any of your teams - Big East, Big Ten, or Big Momma's House - finishes .5 points away from a BCS Bowl because you got knocked because of your strength of schedule. Like the 2005 Auburn Tigers? Or was it 2004? -------------------- Could you describe the ruckus?
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JwILLsCERA	Posted: Aug 30 2007, 11:16 PM
Scruff McGruff, Chicago Illinois, 60652 Group: Members Posts: 13,007 Member No.: 30 Joined: 8-May 07 Warn: (0%)	This line can not die in the middle of this discussion: "South Florida would beat Penn State this year (they should have beat them two years ago)" -------------------- Fuck the Redsox.
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Ma13tt0	Posted: Aug 30 2007, 11:16 PM
Bench presser of 375 maxing out at 400. Group: Members Posts: 5,547 Member No.: 80 Joined: 11-May 07 Warn: (0%)	We should have a dictionary of the dumbest stuff said on the board. Doesn't have to be booberific. Just dumb. -------------------- Could you describe the ruckus?
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monarch0	Posted: Aug 30 2007, 11:19 PM
The Pirates have been wasting my time and money since 1992. Group: Members Posts: 13,300 Member No.: 32 Joined: 8-May 07 Warn: (0%)	I don't think you realize how sick South Florida is gonna be this year. They have an absolutely nasty defense, and a great young QB & RB. They are going to become a football powerhouse in the next 5 years. They're a huge school, in a recruiting hotbed. Wait til they beat Auburn, then we'll have this conversation again. -------------------- The Pirates are like the token hot-and-crazy chick that you shouldn't date, and you know it, but you can't help yourself. I would take Gil Brown over Butler every day of the week and twice on Sundays. - NYPirate People say I'm an asshole and generally I agree. - GB21 Freddy is much better at baseball than Woosh. -- LHB
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ecbenito	Posted: Aug 30 2007, 11:22 PM
Master of the Universe Group: Members Posts: 6,480 Member No.: 64 Joined: 9-May 07 Warn: (0%)	QUOTE (Ma13tt0 @ Aug 30 2007, 10:16 PM) We should have a dictionary of the dumbest stuff said on the board. Doesn't have to be booberific. Just dumb. kinda like this little gem? QUOTE Wait til they(south florida) beat Auburn, then we'll have this conversation again
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GoBucs21	Posted: Aug 30 2007, 11:22 PM
All-Star Group: Members Posts: 5,848 Member No.: 84 Joined: 12-May 07 Warn: (0%)	QUOTE (buccosmfg @ Aug 30 2007, 10:14 PM) QUOTE (GoBucs21 @ Aug 30 2007, 11:04 PM) What did the top three Big 10 teams do in the bowls last year?  What did the top three Big East teams do? What did the top two Big 10 teams do in the bowls last season?  What did the top two Big East teams do? Michigan and Ohio State were the class of the Big 10 last season.  They just didn't get pasted, they were embarrassed.  If they were the best of the Big 10, how good can the rest of the conference be? are you seriously comparing Florida and USC to Wake Forest and Ga. Tech? No, I'm comparing wins to losses. Are you seriously saying that losing to USC is more of an accomplishment than beating Ga Tech. I'm saying that beating Wake Forest is more difficult than having your ass handed to you by Florida. The Big 10 lost, the Big East won. Right now, the best conference is the SEC. The Pac 10 probably follows them. After that the Big 12 and the Big East. Then the Big 10 will be doggedly hounded by the ACC to avoid being the worst of the BCS conferences. Top to bottom, the SEC is the deepest conference. The single best team is USC. Everyone else will be playing for the right to be crushed by them. -------------------- Opinion is shiftable sand. It can be shifted, as Goldwater understood, by ideas, and by the other party overreaching George Will There are no constraints on the human mind, no walls around the human spirit, no barriers to our progress except those we ourselves erect. Ronald Reagan Daring ideas are like chessmen moved forward. They may be beaten, but they may start a winning game. Goethe
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JwILLsCERA	Posted: Aug 30 2007, 11:23 PM
Scruff McGruff, Chicago Illinois, 60652 Group: Members Posts: 13,007 Member No.: 30 Joined: 8-May 07 Warn: (0%)	QUOTE (monarch0 @ Aug 31 2007, 03:19 AM) Wait til they beat Auburn, then we'll have this conversation again. I will bet you (insert number here) dollars that South Florida isn't going into Auburn and winning. Sorry. -------------------- Fuck the Redsox.
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ecbenito	Posted: Aug 30 2007, 11:26 PM
Master of the Universe Group: Members Posts: 6,480 Member No.: 64 Joined: 9-May 07 Warn: (0%)	QUOTE (GoBucs21 @ Aug 30 2007, 10:22 PM) No, I'm comparing wins to losses. Are you seriously saying that losing to USC is more of an accomplishment than beating Ga Tech. I'm saying that beating Wake Forest is more difficult than having your ass handed to you by Florida. The Big 10 lost, the Big East won. So by your logic, since the Red Sox lost today and the Devil Rays won, that means that the Devil Rays are better, correct? ... beating the orioles is more of an accomplishment than losing to the yankees
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Ma13tt0	Posted: Aug 30 2007, 11:30 PM
Bench presser of 375 maxing out at 400. Group: Members Posts: 5,547 Member No.: 80 Joined: 11-May 07 Warn: (0%)	QUOTE (ecbenito @ Aug 30 2007, 10:22 PM) QUOTE (Ma13tt0 @ Aug 30 2007, 10:16 PM) We should have a dictionary of the dumbest stuff said on the board. Doesn't have to be booberific. Just dumb. kinda like this little gem? QUOTE Wait til they(south florida) beat Auburn, then we'll have this conversation again Yeah. Actually just throw this whole thread in there. This is absolutely mind numbing. I think slamming my dick in a drawer would yield smarter statements. -------------------- Could you describe the ruckus?
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GoBucs21	Posted: Aug 30 2007, 11:30 PM
All-Star Group: Members Posts: 5,848 Member No.: 84 Joined: 12-May 07 Warn: (0%)	QUOTE (ecbenito @ Aug 30 2007, 10:26 PM) QUOTE (GoBucs21 @ Aug 30 2007, 10:22 PM) No, I'm comparing wins to losses.  Are you seriously saying that losing to USC is more of an accomplishment than beating Ga Tech.  I'm saying that beating Wake Forest is more difficult than having your ass handed to you by Florida. The Big 10 lost, the Big East won. So by your logic, since the Red Sox lost today and the Devil Rays won, that means that the Devil Rays are better, correct? ... beating the orioles is more of an accomplishment than losing to the yankees Just a stupid analogy. The Red Sox and DRays play each other. They also plays about the same schedule over 162 games. So its very easy to see who is better. The NCAA isn't the same way. They don't play the same schedules and many teams never play each other. Now are you seriously saying a team that loses, handily to one team is better than one who wins. By the way, we are talking about winning games during the bowl season too. -------------------- Opinion is shiftable sand. It can be shifted, as Goldwater understood, by ideas, and by the other party overreaching George Will There are no constraints on the human mind, no walls around the human spirit, no barriers to our progress except those we ourselves erect. Ronald Reagan Daring ideas are like chessmen moved forward. They may be beaten, but they may start a winning game. Goethe
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ecbenito	Posted: Aug 30 2007, 11:32 PM
Master of the Universe Group: Members Posts: 6,480 Member No.: 64 Joined: 9-May 07 Warn: (0%)	QUOTE (GoBucs21 @ Aug 30 2007, 10:30 PM) QUOTE (ecbenito @ Aug 30 2007, 10:26 PM) QUOTE (GoBucs21 @ Aug 30 2007, 10:22 PM) No, I'm comparing wins to losses.  Are you seriously saying that losing to USC is more of an accomplishment than beating Ga Tech.  I'm saying that beating Wake Forest is more difficult than having your ass handed to you by Florida. The Big 10 lost, the Big East won. So by your logic, since the Red Sox lost today and the Devil Rays won, that means that the Devil Rays are better, correct? ... beating the orioles is more of an accomplishment than losing to the yankees Just a stupid analogy. The Red Sox and DRays play each other. They also plays about the same schedule over 162 games. So its very easy to see who is better. The NCAA isn't the same way. They don't play the same schedules and many teams never play each other. Now are you seriously saying a team that loses, handily to one team is better than one who wins. By the way, we are talking about winning games during the bowl season too. Yes that's exactly what I'm saying. A team that loses handily to the national champs when ranked 2nd is better than one that beats some shitty school in the fucking papajohns bowl
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Ma13tt0	Posted: Aug 30 2007, 11:32 PM
Bench presser of 375 maxing out at 400. Group: Members Posts: 5,547 Member No.: 80 Joined: 11-May 07 Warn: (0%)	QUOTE (monarch0 @ Aug 30 2007, 10:19 PM) I don't think you realize how sick South Florida is gonna be this year. They have an absolutely nasty defense, and a great young QB & RB. They are going to become a football powerhouse in the next 5 years. They're a huge school, in a recruiting hotbed. Wait til they beat Auburn, then we'll have this conversation again. Yeah so does Miami and Florida and Florida State and any other college in the US. I bet you that if you gave 10 athletes from Florida the choice of going to Penn State or Southern Florida. All ten would pick Penn State. -------------------- Could you describe the ruckus?
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Ma13tt0	Posted: Aug 30 2007, 11:34 PM
Bench presser of 375 maxing out at 400. Group: Members Posts: 5,547 Member No.: 80 Joined: 11-May 07 Warn: (0%)	QUOTE (JwILLsCERA @ Aug 30 2007, 10:16 PM) This line can not die in the middle of this discussion: "South Florida would beat Penn State this year (they should have beat them two years ago)" Just thought it needed repeating again. -------------------- Could you describe the ruckus?
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mickeyg13	Posted: Aug 30 2007, 11:37 PM
AAA Ball Group: Members Posts: 744 Member No.: 40 Joined: 9-May 07 Warn: (0%)	I'm not gonna go as far as saying USF will beat Auburn, but they've done a lot for themselves and have been greatly improving. They beat WVU last year, and they had one of the best freshman QBs out there.
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lrhotspot21	Posted: Aug 31 2007, 02:02 AM
Major Leaguer Group: Members Posts: 1,569 Member No.: 215 Joined: 20-July 07 Warn: (0%)	When I started this thread I really was just shocked the Cincy did what they did. I guess it was expected from Rutgers and Louisville but I figured Cincy would win by a td or 2. The Big East is being ranked 6th among confrences. I can't believe they are putting ACC above us. Also the Big 12 isn't anything special. Big 10 has Mich who can never get it done. Ohio State is going to fall off the map this year, I don't care what kind of talent they brought in, they are going to go 8-4 or 7-4 however many games they play. Wisconsin's big back isn't so big anymore, he lost 20lbs this offseason and everyone is saying he doesn't have what he used to. I'd take slaton and Rice over any two running backs in the nation. Hart and Mcfadden included.
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JwILLsCERA	Posted: Aug 31 2007, 02:11 AM
Scruff McGruff, Chicago Illinois, 60652 Group: Members Posts: 13,007 Member No.: 30 Joined: 8-May 07 Warn: (0%)	QUOTE (lrhotspot21 @ Aug 31 2007, 06:02 AM) I'd take slaton and Rice over any two running backs in the nation. Hart and Mcfadden included. This thread keeps getting better and better!!!!!!! -------------------- Fuck the Redsox.
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mickeyg13	Posted: Aug 31 2007, 03:04 AM
AAA Ball Group: Members Posts: 744 Member No.: 40 Joined: 9-May 07 Warn: (0%)	QUOTE (JwILLsCERA @ Aug 31 2007, 06:11 AM) QUOTE (lrhotspot21 @ Aug 31 2007, 06:02 AM) I'd take slaton and Rice over any two running backs in the nation.  Hart and Mcfadden included. This thread keeps getting better and better!!!!!!! Slaton did manage to have more rushing yards, more rushing touchdowns, more receiving yards, and more receiving touchdowns. He averaged 1.2 more yards per carry than McFadden. So statistically speaking McFadden pretty much trailed in all aspects of being a running back. Now some of you will point out the handful of plays McFadden made as a QB, and others will cite better competition for Arkansas, but it's certainly not silly to claim that Slaton is the better back. There are "experts" with no ties to the Big East or WVU that picked Slaton to win the Heisman this year (Pat Forde for example).
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buccosmfg	Posted: Aug 31 2007, 08:16 AM
I'm President Charlie! Group: Members Posts: 6,979 Member No.: 37 Joined: 8-May 07 Warn: (0%)	QUOTE (mickeyg13 @ Aug 31 2007, 03:04 AM) QUOTE (JwILLsCERA @ Aug 31 2007, 06:11 AM) QUOTE (lrhotspot21 @ Aug 31 2007, 06:02 AM) I'd take slaton and Rice over any two running backs in the nation.  Hart and Mcfadden included. This thread keeps getting better and better!!!!!!! Slaton did manage to have more rushing yards, more rushing touchdowns, more receiving yards, and more receiving touchdowns. He averaged 1.2 more yards per carry than McFadden. So statistically speaking McFadden pretty much trailed in all aspects of being a running back. Now some of you will point out the handful of plays McFadden made as a QB, and others will cite better competition for Arkansas, but it's certainly not silly to claim that Slaton is the better back. There are "experts" with no ties to the Big East or WVU that picked Slaton to win the Heisman this year (Pat Forde for example). It is about time people realized that the heisman always equates to the best player! Thank you. Love; Gino Torretta -------------------- "Baseball, it is said, is only a game. True. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole in Arizona. Not all holes, or games, are created equal." "Baseball is Heaven's gift to mortals." Mercer Rulz!
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mzimmerman81	Posted: Aug 31 2007, 08:21 AM
The Storyteller Group: Moderator Posts: 15,602 Member No.: 18 Joined: 8-May 07 Warn: (0%)	You know, just when I think some people here can't get much dumber, I wake up in the morning to read: South Florida would beat Penn State this year, just like they should have 2 years ago. I mean WOW, like some here have said, thats a line that shouldn't be ignored. I love CFB and the debates it causes, but when people say stuff like that, and when Lou Holtz predicts Notre Dame will win 10 games like he did on ESPN a few nights ago, it makes me want to turn the TV off. Continue on with this discussion I want to see how much more intelligent people are. -------------------- FIRST TEAM CPL CENTRAL PA ATHLETE OF THE WEEK 5/26 Casey Zimmerman, Jr., CF, Lewistown High .392/.492/.824/1.316 (52 at bats) Legion Stats (58 at bats): .328/.412/.534/.946 5-2B 2-3B 1-HR 13-R 10-RBI 8-BB 8-K 2-SB
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mvk112	Posted: Aug 31 2007, 08:29 AM
All-Star Group: Members Posts: 5,740 Member No.: 57 Joined: 9-May 07 Warn: (0%)	I don't think South Florida beating Penn State this year would be that huge of an upset. As for Notre Dame, that is doubtful, but the only definite loss is USC. The other games they have at least a fighting chance. The underdog seems to play much better in the ND-Michigan series. -------------------- Please do not take the above post to mean that I think Derek Jeter is a better baseball player than Alex Rodriguez. If it contains statistics, they are for informational use only.
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Ohio_is_for_Buttlovers	Posted: Aug 31 2007, 08:34 AM
Awesome Freakin' D Group: Members Posts: 2,086 Member No.: 9 Joined: 7-May 07 Warn: (0%)	QUOTE (GoBucs21 @ Aug 30 2007, 10:30 PM) QUOTE (ecbenito @ Aug 30 2007, 10:26 PM) QUOTE (GoBucs21 @ Aug 30 2007, 10:22 PM) No, I'm comparing wins to losses.  Are you seriously saying that losing to USC is more of an accomplishment than beating Ga Tech.  I'm saying that beating Wake Forest is more difficult than having your ass handed to you by Florida. The Big 10 lost, the Big East won. So by your logic, since the Red Sox lost today and the Devil Rays won, that means that the Devil Rays are better, correct? ... beating the orioles is more of an accomplishment than losing to the yankees Just a stupid analogy. The Red Sox and DRays play each other. They also plays about the same schedule over 162 games. So its very easy to see who is better. The NCAA isn't the same way. They don't play the same schedules and many teams never play each other. Now are you seriously saying a team that loses, handily to one team is better than one who wins. By the way, we are talking about winning games during the bowl season too. Well then compare the Pirates to the Red Sox. Since they play in different leagues and for the majority of the year, against different competition. On a night when the Bucs win and the Red Sox lose, are the Pirates a better team? Stick to baseball and please stop embarassing yourself.
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mzimmerman81	Posted: Aug 31 2007, 08:42 AM
The Storyteller Group: Moderator Posts: 15,602 Member No.: 18 Joined: 8-May 07 Warn: (0%)	QUOTE (mvk112 @ Aug 31 2007, 08:29 AM) I don't think South Florida beating Penn State this year would be that huge of an upset. As for Notre Dame, that is doubtful, but the only definite loss is USC. The other games they have at least a fighting chance. The underdog seems to play much better in the ND-Michigan series. I give people opportunities to not sound stupid and this is what happens? -------------------- FIRST TEAM CPL CENTRAL PA ATHLETE OF THE WEEK 5/26 Casey Zimmerman, Jr., CF, Lewistown High .392/.492/.824/1.316 (52 at bats) Legion Stats (58 at bats): .328/.412/.534/.946 5-2B 2-3B 1-HR 13-R 10-RBI 8-BB 8-K 2-SB
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SyrBucco	Posted: Aug 31 2007, 08:48 AM
Major Leaguer Group: Members Posts: 1,278 Member No.: 58 Joined: 9-May 07 Warn: (0%)	You Pitt and Penn State fans should just thank your lucky stars that you don't live in Syracuse. Good thing I'm a Pirates fan: it gets me used to the emotional distress I experience rooting for the 'Cuse in football. This year's team may be so bad, it could be the stuff of legend. But I will still be at the home opener tonight against Washington. Except for the Buffalo game, it's the one time I am not virtually certain of a loss. -------------------- Jameson's tastes better served warm.
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mvk112	Posted: Aug 31 2007, 08:58 AM
All-Star Group: Members Posts: 5,740 Member No.: 57 Joined: 9-May 07 Warn: (0%)	QUOTE (mzimmerman81 @ Aug 31 2007, 07:42 AM) QUOTE (mvk112 @ Aug 31 2007, 08:29 AM) I don't think South Florida beating Penn State this year would be that huge of an upset.  As for Notre Dame, that is doubtful, but the only definite loss is USC.  The other games they have at least a fighting chance.  The underdog seems to play much better in the ND-Michigan series. I give people opportunities to not sound stupid and this is what happens? Do you seriously think Penn State is really that good this year? Morelli has played 1 good game against a decent team in his career, and now he is proven? They lost Hunt, Brown, Pozlusny, and just about their whole DL. Austin Scott has never done anything to impress. If not for the super cream puff schedule, they would be a .500 team, if not worse. Notre Dame will be a dogfight, they'll lose at Michigan, and to Wisconsin and Ohio State. -------------------- Please do not take the above post to mean that I think Derek Jeter is a better baseball player than Alex Rodriguez. If it contains statistics, they are for informational use only.
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mzimmerman81	Posted: Aug 31 2007, 09:07 AM
The Storyteller Group: Moderator Posts: 15,602 Member No.: 18 Joined: 8-May 07 Warn: (0%)	I am certainly not an expert and not one to 100% believe the experts, but when most of them pick PSU to be somewhere in the 1-3 and possibly 4 range of the B10 and with their skill position players, they certainly are going to better than you give them credit for. The fact that you think its a remote possibility that Notre Suck could win 10 games is also funny. -------------------- FIRST TEAM CPL CENTRAL PA ATHLETE OF THE WEEK 5/26 Casey Zimmerman, Jr., CF, Lewistown High .392/.492/.824/1.316 (52 at bats) Legion Stats (58 at bats): .328/.412/.534/.946 5-2B 2-3B 1-HR 13-R 10-RBI 8-BB 8-K 2-SB
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mvk112	Posted: Aug 31 2007, 09:14 AM
All-Star Group: Members Posts: 5,740 Member No.: 57 Joined: 9-May 07 Warn: (0%)	QUOTE (mzimmerman81 @ Aug 31 2007, 08:07 AM) I am certainly not an expert and not one to 100% believe the experts, but when most of them pick PSU to be somewhere in the 1-3 and possibly 4 range of the B10 and with their skill position players, they certainly are going to better than you give them credit for. The fact that you think its a remote possibility that Notre Suck could win 10 games is also funny. Finishing 4th in the Big Ten is no big accomplishment. Minnesota, Indiana, Michigan State and Illinois are terrible. Purdue, Iowa, and Northwestern are mediocre at best. If Penn State can't finish ahead of that garbage, they should fire JoePa and get on with life. They will not finish ahead of Michigan, Ohio State and Wisconsin, though. -------------------- Please do not take the above post to mean that I think Derek Jeter is a better baseball player than Alex Rodriguez. If it contains statistics, they are for informational use only.
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mzimmerman81	Posted: Aug 31 2007, 09:17 AM
The Storyteller Group: Moderator Posts: 15,602 Member No.: 18 Joined: 8-May 07 Warn: (0%)	If I was a betting man, which I am not, I would challenge the last line because they will finish ahead of one of those teams. -------------------- FIRST TEAM CPL CENTRAL PA ATHLETE OF THE WEEK 5/26 Casey Zimmerman, Jr., CF, Lewistown High .392/.492/.824/1.316 (52 at bats) Legion Stats (58 at bats): .328/.412/.534/.946 5-2B 2-3B 1-HR 13-R 10-RBI 8-BB 8-K 2-SB
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coolpapacole	Posted: Aug 31 2007, 09:18 AM
Major Leaguer Group: Members Posts: 3,191 Member No.: 164 Joined: 21-June 07 Warn: (0%)	The Big 10 is the most consistently overrated conference in CFB. That doesn't mean they stink, but they are always hyped more than they should be. There is some sort of weird incestual reasoning going on about the Big 10 wereby the fact that Michigan beats OSU or OSU beats Michigan every year somehow proves how great one of the teams is. For reference see all the bitching and moaning about how the title game should have been a rematch of OSU and Michigan. Luckily it wasn't and we got to see how those two teams matched up against the better teams in the country (not very well). Anyway, the Big 10 is a good conference and in general better than the Big East, but right now I think the two are very close. Neither holds a candle to the SEC, though.
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NYPirate	Posted: Aug 31 2007, 09:20 AM
All-Star Group: Members Posts: 6,921 Member No.: 146 Joined: 8-June 07 Warn: (0%)	QUOTE (JwILLsCERA @ Aug 30 2007, 09:56 PM) QUOTE (monarch0 @ Aug 31 2007, 02:55 AM) The Big Ten fucking blows.  It is way more topheavy than the Big East. The top is way better than the Big East's elite. What's your point? Bullshit! WVU and Lville could beat anyone of those Big Ten fucks. Especially the team with a retard at QB. -------------------- Chuck Norris wears Steve Pearce pajamas.
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coolpapacole	Posted: Aug 31 2007, 09:21 AM
Major Leaguer Group: Members Posts: 3,191 Member No.: 164 Joined: 21-June 07 Warn: (0%)	QUOTE (NYPirate @ Aug 31 2007, 08:20 AM) Bullshit! WVU and Lville could beat anyone of those Big Ten fucks. WVU's offense is good enough to keep them in a game against anyone. Their D is probably not though.
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mzimmerman81	Posted: Aug 31 2007, 09:22 AM
The Storyteller Group: Moderator Posts: 15,602 Member No.: 18 Joined: 8-May 07 Warn: (0%)	I would question Louisville's defense also, but that's without knowing alot about their defense. -------------------- FIRST TEAM CPL CENTRAL PA ATHLETE OF THE WEEK 5/26 Casey Zimmerman, Jr., CF, Lewistown High .392/.492/.824/1.316 (52 at bats) Legion Stats (58 at bats): .328/.412/.534/.946 5-2B 2-3B 1-HR 13-R 10-RBI 8-BB 8-K 2-SB
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NYPirate	Posted: Aug 31 2007, 09:24 AM
All-Star Group: Members Posts: 6,921 Member No.: 146 Joined: 8-June 07 Warn: (0%)	QUOTE (coolpapacole @ Aug 31 2007, 08:21 AM) QUOTE (NYPirate @ Aug 31 2007, 08:20 AM) Bullshit! WVU and Lville could beat anyone of those Big Ten fucks. WVU's offense is good enough to keep them in a game against anyone. Their D is probably not though. But they have Big Ten Superstar Ryan Mundy as their Free Safety this year! How can their D not be better? I mean the guy playing in THE BIG FUCKING TEN!!! -------------------- Chuck Norris wears Steve Pearce pajamas.
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NYPirate	Posted: Aug 31 2007, 09:26 AM
All-Star Group: Members Posts: 6,921 Member No.: 146 Joined: 8-June 07 Warn: (0%)	QUOTE (mzimmerman81 @ Aug 31 2007, 08:22 AM) I would question Louisville's defense also, but that's without knowing alot about their defense. I would question every team in the Big Ten except Michigan. At least you know what you get with them....Lloyd Carr fucking up another season. -------------------- Chuck Norris wears Steve Pearce pajamas.
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mvk112	Posted: Aug 31 2007, 09:29 AM
All-Star Group: Members Posts: 5,740 Member No.: 57 Joined: 9-May 07 Warn: (0%)	QUOTE (mzimmerman81 @ Aug 31 2007, 08:17 AM) If I was a betting man, which I am not, I would challenge the last line because they will finish ahead of one of those teams. I realize that everyone in Happy Valley will still be blowing the rigormortised penis of JoePa ten years after he is dead but what makes you think that a team that scored 6, 10, and 3 points against tOSU, UM, and Wisconsin last year will be able to beat any of those teams this year? Keep in mind that they did lose their two best offensive players in Hunt and Brown. -------------------- Please do not take the above post to mean that I think Derek Jeter is a better baseball player than Alex Rodriguez. If it contains statistics, they are for informational use only.
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NYPirate	Posted: Aug 31 2007, 09:30 AM
All-Star Group: Members Posts: 6,921 Member No.: 146 Joined: 8-June 07 Warn: (0%)	QUOTE (mvk112 @ Aug 31 2007, 08:29 AM) QUOTE (mzimmerman81 @ Aug 31 2007, 08:17 AM) If I was a betting man, which I am not, I would challenge the last line because they will finish ahead of one of those teams. I realize that everyone in Happy Valley will still be blowing the rigormortised penis of JoePa ten years after he is dead but what makes you think that a team that scored 6, 10, and 3 points against tOSU, UM, and Wisconsin last year will be able to beat any of those teams this year? Keep in mind that they did lose their two best offensive players in Hunt and Brown. I think they're excited because Moronelli learned to spell Mississippi this year. -------------------- Chuck Norris wears Steve Pearce pajamas.
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Ma13tt0	Posted: Aug 31 2007, 10:09 AM
Bench presser of 375 maxing out at 400. Group: Members Posts: 5,547 Member No.: 80 Joined: 11-May 07 Warn: (0%)	QUOTE (NYPirate @ Aug 31 2007, 08:30 AM) I think they're excited because Moronelli learned to spell Mississippi this year. Who? If you wanna talk smack spell his name right. -------------------- Could you describe the ruckus?
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mvk112	Posted: Aug 31 2007, 10:10 AM
All-Star Group: Members Posts: 5,740 Member No.: 57 Joined: 9-May 07 Warn: (0%)	MORON-elli It wasn't a mistake that he spelled it as he did. -------------------- Please do not take the above post to mean that I think Derek Jeter is a better baseball player than Alex Rodriguez. If it contains statistics, they are for informational use only.
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NYPirate	Posted: Aug 31 2007, 10:17 AM
All-Star Group: Members Posts: 6,921 Member No.: 146 Joined: 8-June 07 Warn: (0%)	QUOTE (Ma13tt0 @ Aug 31 2007, 09:09 AM) QUOTE (NYPirate @ Aug 31 2007, 08:30 AM) I think they're excited because Moronelli learned to spell Mississippi this year. Who? If you wanna talk smack spell his name right. I spelled it just fine. Penn State education got you down? -------------------- Chuck Norris wears Steve Pearce pajamas.
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mzimmerman81	Posted: Aug 31 2007, 10:25 AM
The Storyteller Group: Moderator Posts: 15,602 Member No.: 18 Joined: 8-May 07 Warn: (0%)	QUOTE (mvk112 @ Aug 31 2007, 08:29 AM) As for Notre Dame, that is doubtful, but the only definite loss is USC. The other games they have at least a fighting chance. The underdog seems to play much better in the ND-Michigan series. Ok, I went back to re-read this thread because its reaching epic proportions of stupidity and somehow missed this. You say the only definite loss for ND is USC and then back up the Michigan with something about the underdog. Did you watch the game last season? It was close wasn't it? Brady Douchebag played well correct? -------------------- FIRST TEAM CPL CENTRAL PA ATHLETE OF THE WEEK 5/26 Casey Zimmerman, Jr., CF, Lewistown High .392/.492/.824/1.316 (52 at bats) Legion Stats (58 at bats): .328/.412/.534/.946 5-2B 2-3B 1-HR 13-R 10-RBI 8-BB 8-K 2-SB
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mvk112	Posted: Aug 31 2007, 10:29 AM
All-Star Group: Members Posts: 5,740 Member No.: 57 Joined: 9-May 07 Warn: (0%)	QUOTE (mzimmerman81 @ Aug 31 2007, 09:25 AM) QUOTE (mvk112 @ Aug 31 2007, 08:29 AM) As for Notre Dame, that is doubtful, but the only definite loss is USC.  The other games they have at least a fighting chance.  The underdog seems to play much better in the ND-Michigan series. Ok, I went back to re-read this thread because its reaching epic proportions of stupidity and somehow missed this. You say the only definite loss for ND is USC and then back up the Michigan with something about the underdog. Did you watch the game last season? It was close wasn't it? Brady Douchebag played well correct? Notre Dame was the favorite last year douchebag. And yes I did watch it, ND pulled close but then Michigan pulled away again. EDIT - they threatened to pull close early in the second half, but never did. -------------------- Please do not take the above post to mean that I think Derek Jeter is a better baseball player than Alex Rodriguez. If it contains statistics, they are for informational use only.
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mzimmerman81	Posted: Aug 31 2007, 10:32 AM
The Storyteller Group: Moderator Posts: 15,602 Member No.: 18 Joined: 8-May 07 Warn: (0%)	I never mentioned anything about the underdog/favorite point, I was making reference to the fact that you think ND could beat Michigan this season. -------------------- FIRST TEAM CPL CENTRAL PA ATHLETE OF THE WEEK 5/26 Casey Zimmerman, Jr., CF, Lewistown High .392/.492/.824/1.316 (52 at bats) Legion Stats (58 at bats): .328/.412/.534/.946 5-2B 2-3B 1-HR 13-R 10-RBI 8-BB 8-K 2-SB
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monarch0	Posted: Aug 31 2007, 10:33 AM
The Pirates have been wasting my time and money since 1992. Group: Members Posts: 13,300 Member No.: 32 Joined: 8-May 07 Warn: (0%)	Notre Dame sucks. They lost thier two best players, Brady and Samardzija, and they have one guy on defense who's worth anything, Zibikowski, and he can't cover the whole field by himself. They will struggle to win 7 games. -------------------- The Pirates are like the token hot-and-crazy chick that you shouldn't date, and you know it, but you can't help yourself. I would take Gil Brown over Butler every day of the week and twice on Sundays. - NYPirate People say I'm an asshole and generally I agree. - GB21 Freddy is much better at baseball than Woosh. -- LHB
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Ma13tt0	Posted: Aug 31 2007, 10:34 AM
Bench presser of 375 maxing out at 400. Group: Members Posts: 5,547 Member No.: 80 Joined: 11-May 07 Warn: (0%)	QUOTE (NYPirate @ Aug 31 2007, 09:17 AM) QUOTE (Ma13tt0 @ Aug 31 2007, 09:09 AM) QUOTE (NYPirate @ Aug 31 2007, 08:30 AM) I think they're excited because Moronelli learned to spell Mississippi this year. Who? If you wanna talk smack spell his name right. I spelled it just fine. Penn State education got you down? Black quarterbacks got you down? -------------------- Could you describe the ruckus?
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mvk112	Posted: Aug 31 2007, 10:35 AM
All-Star Group: Members Posts: 5,740 Member No.: 57 Joined: 9-May 07 Warn: (0%)	QUOTE (mzimmerman81 @ Aug 31 2007, 09:32 AM) I never mentioned anything about the underdog/favorite point, I was making reference to the fact that you think ND could beat Michigan this season. My whole point was that the underdog historically plays well in that series, there is no reason to think this year will be different. I didn't say ND would win, but it wouldn't be the biggest shock of the college football season if they did. -------------------- Please do not take the above post to mean that I think Derek Jeter is a better baseball player than Alex Rodriguez. If it contains statistics, they are for informational use only.
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Ma13tt0	Posted: Aug 31 2007, 10:38 AM
Bench presser of 375 maxing out at 400. Group: Members Posts: 5,547 Member No.: 80 Joined: 11-May 07 Warn: (0%)	Big ten is to the Big East as Marcia is to Jan. -------------------- Could you describe the ruckus?
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NYPirate	Posted: Aug 31 2007, 10:40 AM
All-Star Group: Members Posts: 6,921 Member No.: 146 Joined: 8-June 07 Warn: (0%)	QUOTE (Ma13tt0 @ Aug 31 2007, 09:34 AM) QUOTE (NYPirate @ Aug 31 2007, 09:17 AM) QUOTE (Ma13tt0 @ Aug 31 2007, 09:09 AM) QUOTE (NYPirate @ Aug 31 2007, 08:30 AM) I think they're excited because Moronelli learned to spell Mississippi this year. Who? If you wanna talk smack spell his name right. I spelled it just fine. Penn State education got you down? Black quarterbacks got you down? None of my teams have black QB's, so no. -------------------- Chuck Norris wears Steve Pearce pajamas.
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NYPirate	Posted: Aug 31 2007, 10:41 AM
All-Star Group: Members Posts: 6,921 Member No.: 146 Joined: 8-June 07 Warn: (0%)	QUOTE (Ma13tt0 @ Aug 31 2007, 09:38 AM) Big ten is to the Big East as Marcia is to Jan. So is Paterno the Mike Brady of the house? You know, the closet homosexual. -------------------- Chuck Norris wears Steve Pearce pajamas.
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Ma13tt0	Posted: Aug 31 2007, 10:41 AM
Bench presser of 375 maxing out at 400. Group: Members Posts: 5,547 Member No.: 80 Joined: 11-May 07 Warn: (0%)	QUOTE (NYPirate @ Aug 31 2007, 09:41 AM) QUOTE (Ma13tt0 @ Aug 31 2007, 09:38 AM) Big ten is to the Big East as Marcia is to Jan. So is Paterno the Mike Brady of the house? You know, the closet homosexual. If Paterno is the father of the Big Ten I guess so. Do you play a lot of board games? -------------------- Could you describe the ruckus?
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NYPirate	Posted: Aug 31 2007, 10:44 AM
All-Star Group: Members Posts: 6,921 Member No.: 146 Joined: 8-June 07 Warn: (0%)	QUOTE (Ma13tt0 @ Aug 31 2007, 09:41 AM) QUOTE (NYPirate @ Aug 31 2007, 09:41 AM) QUOTE (Ma13tt0 @ Aug 31 2007, 09:38 AM) Big ten is to the Big East as Marcia is to Jan. So is Paterno the Mike Brady of the house? You know, the closet homosexual. If Paterno is the father of the Big Ten I guess so. Do you play a lot of board games? Well actually I was implying that he was the father of College Football. Isn't that what you guys believe? -------------------- Chuck Norris wears Steve Pearce pajamas.
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mvk112	Posted: Aug 31 2007, 10:46 AM
All-Star Group: Members Posts: 5,740 Member No.: 57 Joined: 9-May 07 Warn: (0%)	QUOTE Well actually I was implying that he was the father of College Football. Well, he IS old enough. -------------------- Please do not take the above post to mean that I think Derek Jeter is a better baseball player than Alex Rodriguez. If it contains statistics, they are for informational use only.
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mzimmerman81	Posted: Aug 31 2007, 10:47 AM
The Storyteller Group: Moderator Posts: 15,602 Member No.: 18 Joined: 8-May 07 Warn: (0%)	I love when people rip on Joe Paterno, if that is in fact what you are doing. It's quite comical -------------------- FIRST TEAM CPL CENTRAL PA ATHLETE OF THE WEEK 5/26 Casey Zimmerman, Jr., CF, Lewistown High .392/.492/.824/1.316 (52 at bats) Legion Stats (58 at bats): .328/.412/.534/.946 5-2B 2-3B 1-HR 13-R 10-RBI 8-BB 8-K 2-SB
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