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QUOTE (7bucs @ Sep 26 2007, 07:37 AM) | QUOTE (jeffr92 @ Sep 26 2007, 08:35 AM) | Actually Postseason Career for A-Rod:
35G .280/.362/.485/.847 |
The 'Arod as a Yankee' bit suited the argument...
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well, yes, it suited the argument because Yankee fans cheer for ARod as
a Yankee, they could care less about what he did in Seattle in the 90's.
and Jeff, you do realize that Alex Rodriguez and ARod are the same person, don't you?
and 7bucs, when was the last time the Yankees didn't make the playoffs?
1993... so yea, that is an entire generation of fans who don't know what it is when the Yankees don't make the playoffs.
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QUOTE (mzimmerman81 @ Sep 26 2007, 09:13 AM) | QUOTE (monarch0 @ Sep 26 2007, 10:10 AM) | Jeter has OPSed .768 Post ASB, in the middle of a pennant race. True Yankee.
Arod has OPSed 1.029 in that time frame. CANCER. REASON THEY SUCK. |
It doesn't matter what you do in the regular season, its all irrelevant.
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Just because the Pirates suck doesn't mean everybody else in the league
has to view getting to 75 wins as a major accomplishment.
The
Yankees are in the playoffs every year. Their fans expect a little more
than a .771 OPS in the playoffs from the highest paid player in the
game.
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QUOTE (mzimmerman81 @ Sep 26 2007, 10:35 AM) | No, don't really care.
A-Rod
is the best player in baseball this season and the douchebags in the
Bronx continue to bitch about him because he isn't Derek Jeter.
Media
and fans included, get the fuck over it. I hate the Yankees, I hope
A-rod hits .700 this post-season, the Yanks lose, they still bitch
about him and he tells them all to go fuck themselves and leaves. |
Derek Jeter the last two postseasons vs Alex Rodriguez the last two.
If Superman could have mustered an RBI or 2, maybe they wouldn't have gone home in the first round the past two years.
Jeter: 15-37, 4 2B, 3 HR, 6 RBI, 2 BB, 8 R ARod: 3-29, 1 2B, 0 HR, 0 RBI, 6 BB, 2 R
That
right there, along with the 4 rings and the clutch hitting is why NYY
fans love Derek Jeter and still are hoping for ARod to show up in
October.
If Alex Rodriguez would have hit .700 in the previous
postseasons, there would be no bitching from the fans or media. Its
shit like 0 RBI's the past two years that cause the bitching.
Just
like you bitch about Jason Bay every fucking at bat this year when he
posted an OPS of over 900 the past 3 years, and bitched about every
walk Ian Snell and Tom Gorzellany allowed, even though they were 2 of
the better pitchers in the NL this year.
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QUOTE (mvk112 @ Sep 26 2007, 11:45 AM) | QUOTE (mzimmerman81 @ Sep 26 2007, 10:35 AM) | No, don't really care.
A-Rod
is the best player in baseball this season and the douchebags in the
Bronx continue to bitch about him because he isn't Derek Jeter.
Media
and fans included, get the fuck over it. I hate the Yankees, I
hope A-rod hits .700 this post-season, the Yanks lose, they still bitch
about him and he tells them all to go fuck themselves and leaves. |
Derek Jeter the last two postseasons vs Alex Rodriguez the last two.
If Superman could have mustered an RBI or 2, maybe they wouldn't have gone home in the first round the past two years.
Jeter: 15-37, 4 2B, 3 HR, 6 RBI, 2 BB, 8 R ARod: 3-29, 1 2B, 0 HR, 0 RBI, 6 BB, 2 R
That
right there, along with the 4 rings and the clutch hitting is why NYY
fans love Derek Jeter and still are hoping for ARod to show up in
October.
If Alex Rodriguez would have hit .700 in the previous
postseasons, there would be no bitching from the fans or media. Its
shit like 0 RBI's the past two years that cause the bitching.
Just
like you bitch about Jason Bay every fucking at bat this year when he
posted an OPS of over 900 the past 3 years, and bitched about every
walk Ian Snell and Tom Gorzellany allowed, even though they were 2 of
the better pitchers in the NL this year.
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As an outside, I suppose it is easy for us to bash NY fans...
But we did the same to Bonds while he was here. We still boo him for that (more than we do for steriods).
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Bonds played in Pittsburgh?
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QUOTE (mvk112 @ Sep 26 2007, 09:59 AM) | QUOTE (7bucs @ Sep 26 2007, 07:37 AM) | QUOTE (jeffr92 @ Sep 26 2007, 08:35 AM) | Actually Postseason Career for A-Rod:
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The 'Arod as a Yankee' bit suited the argument...
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well,
yes, it suited the argument because Yankee fans cheer for ARod as a
Yankee, they could care less about what he did in Seattle in the 90's.
and Jeff, you do realize that Alex Rodriguez and ARod are the same person, don't you?
and 7bucs, when was the last time the Yankees didn't make the playoffs?
1993... so yea, that is an entire generation of fans who don't know what it is when the Yankees don't make the playoffs.
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my
fault, i skimmed and didn't see the "as a yankee" part. Regardless,
bashing him for postseason mediocrity is absurd. Maybe if he wasn't
constantly scrutinized beyond a reasonable level, he would have found
more immediate success. He has not done anything to that city to make
him the outcast that he is. He moved to thirdbase in favor of a far
inferior defensive SS, because he was their golden boy.
Where's the outcry for Posada's mediocre postseason statistics? .241/.358/.388/.746
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QUOTE (herrmorpheus @ Sep 26 2007, 11:39 AM) | QUOTE (mvk112 @ Sep 26 2007, 11:23 AM) |
The Yankees are in the playoffs every year. Their fans expect a
little more than a .771 OPS in the playoffs from the highest paid
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Then the Yankees fans should expect a little more out of the following players besides A-Rod in the postseason:
Johnny Damon - .690 OPS in 2006 playoffs Hideki Matsui - .563 OPS in 2006 playoffs, .673 OPS in 2005 playoffs Robinson Cano - .267 OPS in 2006 playoffs, .754 OPS in 2005 playoffs
And
that's just the lineup. That says nothing about Randy Johnson and Mike
Mussina having ERAs in the stratosphere the past two years, of Jaret
Wright, Tanyon Sturze, and Corey Lidle having ERAs in the DOUBLE DIGITS.
No, A-Rod is the only problem...
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those guys aren't the highest paid player in history, and aren't considered the best player in the game.
and
all of those players were scrutinized, just not to the level of ARod,
whose OPS was about .350 the past two years combined. He sucked much
worse than any of those players, and makes a whole hell of alot more.
He is expected to be good.
as someone said earlier, Bonds is
chastised by everyone in this city for not coming through in the
playoffs when he was the MVP twice (should have been all three years),
but ARod is given a free pass by all of you, while you call out the NYY
fans and media.
hypocrites.
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QUOTE (mvk112 @ Sep 26 2007, 12:47 PM) | QUOTE (monarch0 @ Sep 26 2007, 11:27 AM) | Posada is a True Yankee though, his postseason stats don't matter. |
by the way, Posada's OPS the past two playoffs:
2005 - 1.012 2006 - 1.349
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So the other ones don't count?
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QUOTE (penguin8334 @ Sep 26 2007, 11:45 AM) | QUOTE (mvk112 @ Sep 26 2007, 09:25 AM) | Is Alex Rodriguez the best player in baseball? Yes. Does this mean that the fans have to love him even though he hasn't done shit to help them win in the playoffs? No. |
So I guess the Red Sox shouldn't love Ted Williams.
And Astro fans shouldn't love Jeff Bagwell.
And Indian fans should hate Jim Thome.
And White Sox and A's fans should hate Frank Thomas.
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I never said anything about those other teams, its not them that everyone is blasting.
But now that you mention it, Thomas and Thome did pretty well in the playoffs when they made it.
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QUOTE (mzimmerman81 @ Sep 26 2007, 11:48 AM) | QUOTE (mvk112 @ Sep 26 2007, 12:47 PM) | QUOTE (monarch0 @ Sep 26 2007, 11:27 AM) | Posada is a True Yankee though, his postseason stats don't matter. |
by the way, Posada's OPS the past two playoffs:
2005 - 1.012 2006 - 1.349
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So the other ones don't count?
Cool
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Posada's OPS in the postseason is 30 points lower than ARod's over the course of his career.
ARod is the best player in baseball, don't you think he should be a bit higher than .771?
Posada's postseason vs regular season
.746/.859 = 87 OPS+ against his regular season
ARod's
.771/.966 = 79 OPS+ against his regular season
Posada is much closer to performing as he normally does.
Derek Jeter
.863/.849 = 102 OPS+ against his regular season
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I know this a living in a dreamworld, but do all that you can to
imagine that the Pirates would make the playoffs. I know it is tough,
but see if you can do it.
Now imagine Jason Bay at the plate with runners on second and third and 2 outs, the Pirates down 4-3.
You don't have to imagine Jason Bay watching a called third strike on a 1-2 count, because that is what he always does.
What would Zimm's reaction to this be?
I'm sure he would be supporting Jason Bay as he always does in these situations.
Now
think back to 1990, 1991, or 1992 when Barry Bonds was in the same type
of situation and flied out to shallow left field or grounded out to
second base. How did you react? I'm sure a polite golf clap followed by
a "Oh well, he was great in the regular season" was all that was said,
right?
Zimm gets pissed about Jason Bay sucking for a team that
loses 90+ games every year, his head would explode if Bay had an OPS of
.350 in a playoff series.
Or he would drink a bottle of Captain and pass out by 9:45.
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QUOTE (penguin8334 @ Sep 26 2007, 12:36 PM) | QUOTE (mvk112 @ Sep 26 2007, 10:27 AM) | QUOTE (DoctorJohnnyFever @ Sep 26 2007, 12:14 PM) | This thread is making my head hurt.
Should Buffalo fans love Jim kelly, Thurman Thomas and Andre Reed? Or should they RUN THEM OUT OF TOWN!!!!! |
none of them sucked to the level that ARod has sucked in the postseason.
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Really?
I realize comparing football stats to baseball stats is apples and
oranges, but Thurman Thomas rushed for 69 yards in his last three
Superbowls. And missed the first series of one because he forgot his
helmet.
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a bit tough to get the running game going when you get down early (as
was the case in the games against the redskins and the first cowboys
game). i think it was the third one that he lost his helmet, and he
didnt do that great, 16 carries for 37 yards with a TD, but he did have
7 catches for 52 yards as well.
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BOO HOO FUCKING HOO
MVK wants players to perform in the playoffs, not mediocre or worse performances when it counts most.
Funny,
but I seem to remember Zimm motherfucking Moronelli up and down this
past weekend because he sucked against Michigan. That was a game that
mattered a whole helluva lot more than FIU or Buffalo, wasn't it?
Michigan, Wisconsin, and Ohio State are defacto playoff games in the
Big Ten for Penn State, because if you don't win those games, you have
no shot at a championship, or a BCS game.
Fitting that regular
season is all that matters around here, I mean, there is no fucking
hope for the Pirates ever getting to the postseason, so I guess 75 wins
really would be the summit.
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QUOTE (penguin8334 @ Sep 26 2007, 01:41 PM) | QUOTE (mvk112 @ Sep 26 2007, 11:38 AM) | QUOTE (DoctorJohnnyFever @ Sep 26 2007, 01:36 PM) | A-rod has better career Post-season numbers than Jeter.
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hmmm... care to back that up in any way possible?
it wouldn't be in the form of postseason OPS, because Jeter is at .863 compared to ARod's .847
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I take this as a moral victory since it's the first time mvk has admitted ARod played in the post season prior to 2004.
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him
playing in the postseason prior to 2004 has nothing to do with the
original conversation, which is why Yankee fans are hard on him for not
performing in the playoffs.
again, nobody has ever answered why Yankee fans would give a shit about what he did as a Mariner 8-10 years ago.
does anybody around here except monarch really care about what matt morris did as a st. louis cardinal?
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QUOTE (penguin8334 @ Sep 26 2007, 01:49 PM) | QUOTE (mvk112 @ Sep 26 2007, 11:43 AM) |
him playing in the postseason prior to 2004 has nothing to do with the
original conversation, which is why Yankee fans are hard on him for not
performing in the playoffs.
again, nobody has ever answered why Yankee fans would give a shit about what he did as a Mariner 8-10 years ago.
does anybody around here except monarch really care about what matt morris did as a st. louis cardinal? |
So you attribute ARod's decline in post season production to a deline in talent much like we've seen in Matt Morris?
And
the reason Yankee fans and everyone should care about what ARod did as
a Mariner in the playoff is because the sample size as a Yankee is too
small. Don't you get that?
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no i never said ARod had a decline in talent. its just that why would
they care about what he did for some other team? he isn't getting the
job done in the playoffs.
and if they didn't have ARod, its not
like they would have Matt Kata playing third base, so who knows if they
would be near the playoffs or not.
certainly they would have been in the playoffs last year, and he shit the bed big time once they got there.
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QUOTE (mvk112 @ Sep 26 2007, 02:43 PM) | QUOTE (penguin8334 @ Sep 26 2007, 01:41 PM) | QUOTE (mvk112 @ Sep 26 2007, 11:38 AM) | QUOTE (DoctorJohnnyFever @ Sep 26 2007, 01:36 PM) | A-rod has better career Post-season numbers than Jeter.
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hmmm... care to back that up in any way possible?
it wouldn't be in the form of postseason OPS, because Jeter is at .863 compared to ARod's .847
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I take this as a moral victory since it's the first time mvk has admitted ARod played in the post season prior to 2004.
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him
playing in the postseason prior to 2004 has nothing to do with the
original conversation, which is why Yankee fans are hard on him for not
performing in the playoffs.
again, nobody has ever answered why Yankee fans would give a shit about what he did as a Mariner 8-10 years ago.
does anybody around here except monarch really care about what matt morris did as a st. louis cardinal?
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He's had a grand total of 79 at bats as a Yankee in the playoffs. 50 of those came in 2004 and he put up these numbers: .320/.413/.600/1.013
So you're crucifying the guy over 29 fucking atbats between 2005 and 2006 playoffs
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QUOTE (penguin8334 @ Sep 26 2007, 01:55 PM) | QUOTE (mvk112 @ Sep 26 2007, 11:51 AM) | he isn't getting the job done in the playoffs.
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Do you realize you're basing this on 29 AB's?
29.
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QUOTE (mvk112 @ Sep 26 2007, 02:55 PM) | QUOTE (mzimmerman81 @ Sep 26 2007, 01:50 PM) |
who cares about the guy actually getting them to the playoffs, thats
unimportant. Yankee fans realize they would make it this year
without him.
If he wasn't playing Jeter would have hit 30 HRs
and OPSed .950, he realized they aren't needed this season since they
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the level of hate you have for derek jeter is insane.
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No its the fact that Yankme fans seem to think he is 100x better than Arod, when he isn't.
The fact that A-rod was forced to move from his natural position for Jetah and did so.
It's just ridiculous, maybe if A-rod leaps into the stands and makes a catch in the playoffs, they will lay off.
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QUOTE (mvk112 @ Sep 26 2007, 02:57 PM) | QUOTE (penguin8334 @ Sep 26 2007, 01:55 PM) | QUOTE (mvk112 @ Sep 26 2007, 11:51 AM) | he isn't getting the job done in the playoffs.
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Do you realize you're basing this on 29 AB's?
29.
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how many playoff at bats do you think most major league players get over the course of their careers?
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your example has had 478, I'd be willing to bet there is a streak of 29 at bats where Jeter wasn't posting his .863 OPS
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